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The minor league season starts next week, around the same time as the Blue Jays start. The rosters were announced to the players this morning and Batters Box has received a copy.

Most assignments were well known: d'Arnaud, Gose, Sierra and Hechavarria to AAA. McGuire, Jenkins, Hutchison and Jimenez to AA. And Marisnick, Crouse and Knecht to Dunedin. But there are a few surprises.



Here are the moves that surprised me:

Joel Carreno will start in AA. Carreno already pitched in AA last season and I thought he would go to AAA haven't had experience in the major leagues.

Trystan Magnuson; Evan Crawford; and Danny Farquhar also are in AA.

Sam Dyson and John Stilson are on the Dunedin roster.

Brian Jeroloman is back in AA, Gomes gets the AAA slot.

Carlos Perez back in Lansing

Vega-Rosado and Sweeney in Lansing

Rosters are published here.



I am not sure who all the starters will be in AAA. AA has McGuire, Hutchison, Jenkins, Tepera and Carreno. That is a good starting lineup.

I am also not sure who will start in Dunedin, they have six starters. Nolin, Lawrence, Dyson, Stilson, Wojo and Egan Smith are on the roster. Dyson and Stilson's ability to start depends on the trainers approval as both are coming off injuries.

Lansing also has a strong rotation, Sanchez, Syndergaard (both of whom are getting great reports from spring training), Nicolino, Ybarra and likely DeSclafani.

From a lineup perspective Las Vegas has a number of prospects for a change, d'Arnaud, Hechavarria, Gose, Sierra, Cooper.

The only prospects in AA are Jimenez and McDade, but with that pitching they could again challenge for a title.

Dunedin has the Lansing outfield from 2011 with a returning infield and catcher.

Lansing has an interesting lineup with Hawkins, Pillar, Vega-Rosado, Sweeney with returnees Hobson, Perez and Wilson.


So who didn't make a full season roster that might have? On the position side I thought Shane Opitz might have a chance. Balbino Fuenmayor, Gustavo Pierre and Gari Pena, who were on full season rosters last season, didn't make it this year. All the 2011 draftees will stay in Florida. Eric Arce, Dalton Pompey and Art Charles stay in extended too.

On the pitching side Griffin Murphy, Adonys Cardona, Deivy Estrada and Tatlor Cole are in extended.


With the rosters out it's time to get excited about the 2012 season!

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92-93 - Saturday, March 31 2012 @ 05:03 PM EDT (#253558) #
I really like letting Perez repeat Lansing. Really no reason to push him to Dunedin when there's no one who needs that Lansing spot. Let the kid earn his promotion.

Also like the sending of the reliever prospects to AA as opposed to AAA, where even the best get hammered. The Jays wouldn't hesitate to dip down to New Hampshire anyway.
acepinball - Saturday, March 31 2012 @ 05:11 PM EDT (#253559) #
I'd be pretty upset if I'm Las Vegas. There are no interesting pitchers there whatsoever. They've all been assigned to AA. The Jays actually went out of their way to make sure no pitching prospect starts the year with the Area 51s. Mind you, the position players are pretty good.
rpriske - Saturday, March 31 2012 @ 05:27 PM EDT (#253560) #
The 51s may not be prospect heaven... but it sure looks like a good team. If they were to have this all year, they look like AAA champs. :)

Also, did I miss Valbuena being claimed or released? I may have...
Gerry - Saturday, March 31 2012 @ 05:37 PM EDT (#253561) #
Valbuena is still with the Jays but he is out of options. I think the Jays expect he will be traded or claimed.
TheBunk - Saturday, March 31 2012 @ 06:15 PM EDT (#253562) #
I'm a bit surprised that they bothered to release rosters(this early) for the short season teams as I don't remember them doing it last year.

Must be very preliminary as there's a few head scratchers. Dalton Pompey back in the GCL?
TheBunk - Saturday, March 31 2012 @ 06:18 PM EDT (#253563) #
And just a tiny nitpick but Nicolino is also receiving strong reviews, Frankie Pilliere raved about him yesterday in his column.
Lugnut Fan - Saturday, March 31 2012 @ 06:21 PM EDT (#253564) #
I'm pretty surprised Peter Mooney didn't make the Lansing roster. He had a solid end of season for Lansing (outside of a couple errors in the championship series) and I was really looking forward to watching him in Lansing this season. That move actually surprises me more than the Perez repeat of the MWL.

The pitching staff looks lights out.
TheBunk - Saturday, March 31 2012 @ 06:28 PM EDT (#253565) #
Seems like the Jays have a bit of a logjam with college infielders between Burns, Mooney, and Berti. Guess there had to be an odd man out.

On closer inspection, Mooney is listed on the DL for the Lansing roster.
TheBunk - Saturday, March 31 2012 @ 06:32 PM EDT (#253566) #
Regardless of some suspect placement between the short season teams, there's an incredible amount of talent there. Really amazing that every year under Anthopoulos, the amount of legit prospects seems to double.
Sano - Saturday, March 31 2012 @ 06:37 PM EDT (#253567) #
It's amazing the lengths to which the Jays organization will go to avoid sending pitching prospects to Las Vegas. The Carreno move seems to be motivated solely be a belief that having him pitch in that league/ballpark will do no good whatsoever.

Speaking of whom, how come Carreno's name has not come up in any discussions of young starting prospects? Hutchinson, Jenkins, Drabek, McGuire are always mentioned but not Carreno. Given his demonstrated success in relieving in the majors, would it not be smarter to let him continue to relieve and build up his expertise in that? Why make him a starter again if he's simply going to be #7 in the depth chart?
92-93 - Saturday, March 31 2012 @ 07:22 PM EDT (#253568) #
If the arm has no problem handling a starter's load it's ideal to keep it in that role for as long as possible. Even if Carreno never starts at the MLB level the extra innings gives a prospect more time to work on his entire arsenal, to find out what works best for him and what should be scrapped.

I liked what I saw from Carreno last year, and suspect he'll be the first one called up if a reliever goes down. Carreno might find himself in a Villanueva/Tallet type role down the line, a long man that every team needs.
TamRa - Saturday, March 31 2012 @ 07:43 PM EDT (#253569) #
I'm going with the assumption that the short-season rosters are tentative since there's a lot of EST to go before they play and some of those guys might be added to Lansing sometime between now and mid-June. Also, there's no promotions from the DSL to the GCL which seems likely to happen.

With that said:

Vegas - same old sucky rotation, interesting guys to watch, but no big names, in the pen. Impressed that Gomes is there, surprised they dropped Jeroloman back - he's officially an organizational soldier at this point. Gotay grabbing the 2B job kinda snuck in on me.

The outfield should be fun to watch.
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NH - like others, I'm noting the obvious reality that being assigned to NH is a compliment, even if in other organizations you'd be in AAA. the rotation is amazing (and one might suppose that if/when McGowan is healthy Drabek might be here too); there's 4-5 excellent relievers for AA as well, although I have no idea who Hernandez is.
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Dunedin - Another strong rotation if Stilson is ready to contribute. I also really like the top of this bullpen (Barnes, Wright, Antolin, Dyson?). At some point it seems to me the marginal guys will have to start being cut loose to make room for proper advancement.

Like others, I'm glad to see them going slow with Perez, and it solves the problem of what to do with Ochinko who really hadn't twisted their arm either. He, Talley and the three outfielders should produce unusually good offense for the D-Jays.
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Lansing - I was wondering if DeSclafini would get the full-season assignment, that stands to be yet another excellent rotation. Having 11-12 SP with a chance to be major league pitchers between three teams is astonishing.

It will be interested to see if Perez can Rebound and KC can finally get himself up to speed. also, the buzz Gerry had reported earlier was that they wanted Sweeney in lansing, good to see that work out. those three, and Hawkins of course, could provided for an interesting offense. I'll also be interested to see how Pillar does.
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short-seasons

I really don't think these rosters are very reliable, but I like seeing Lopes at Vancouver, I had thought to see Smith and Anderson there as well - and surely will before the end of the season. I'm not sure what they are going to do with all those middle infielders. I'm curious on this point - if Pierre is moving to 3B, why assign him to the team with Dean rather than with the not-so-great Balbino?

among the pitchers, even though he diidn't do well, I'll be surprised if Murphy returns to the GCL, and also Cardona seems an obvious candidate for promotion. I'm a little disappointed to see last years poor filler back in the Vancouver rotation, and hope that doesn't turn out to be the case by June.


there are a few minor guys missing, the one's I'm most curious about are Scott Campbell and Matt Fields.
Gerry - Saturday, March 31 2012 @ 07:56 PM EDT (#253570) #
The short season rosters on my spreadsheet are just leftovers from 2011, they have no relation to anything for 2012. They are not projections. I didn't get a list, but the Jays would have released a number of players today. Those names will come out soon and have to come off those lists. The short season rosters for 2012 will be dependent on who signs out of the 2012 draft.
jgadfly - Sunday, April 01 2012 @ 12:10 AM EDT (#253576) #
  Mitchell Taylor ...   I would imagine that Taylor, if he is still in the organization will be assigned to Lansing, if only to start his suspensions early.  75 games will take him into mid July anyways . I don't know if missing the Bluefield playoff games count toward his suspension or not.  He has really dug himself a rather large hole. Hopefully by then he is able to get his priorities right.
jgadfly - Sunday, April 01 2012 @ 12:31 AM EDT (#253578) #
  In other news this week ... Goldstein has finally discovered Michael Crouse who he said was mashing the ball at MiL camp and was a super athlete ... Sickles meanwell saw Marcus Knecht as taking a big leap forward with his bat after stating early on that Tom Robson would be his sleeper pick among the young Jay pitching prospects .  Also heard that Adeiny Hechavarria was hitting nothing but line drives every which way for the 51's since his demotion ( 2/3 & 3/3 in two games earlier in the week )
TamRa - Sunday, April 01 2012 @ 04:20 AM EDT (#253580) #
I'm not sure they can get away with assigning Taylor to Lansing for the purposes of the suspension - and whether or not he'd have been mentioned on those rosters under the circumstances. if they could, though, he could have served the whole stint before the short-season even starts, albeit he would still have to be built up so at best that might fit him into the back end of the Bluefield rotation to start - in other words he couldn't play a game that counts before the last week of June at best.

But if the rules constrain them to assign him to SS ball, then he's screwed. Vancouver's 51st games is 8/6 and he wouldn't, in theory, have been built up yet. He'd have to pitch in relief.

lexomatic - Sunday, April 01 2012 @ 11:12 AM EDT (#253584) #
I like Gotay as a 4-A AAA insurance for 2b
He's had decent plate discipline the last few seasons in AAA, and a smidge of power. Not a great option, but one that if forced, could at least not kill you offensively for a short time. He did also hit 295 in 200 PAs in the majors once. He can also kinda play 3rd.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=gotay-001rub

mamboon - Sunday, April 01 2012 @ 12:01 PM EDT (#253586) #

Speaking of insurance for AAA at 2b, I would rather see Diaz return to AAA this year, the earlier, the better.  In spring training he pretty much did everything they wanted him to do as a non-roster invitee.  In 37 AB he went 405/439/489 with no errors in the field.  In ST, as a later inning sub, he batted in 7 runs and scored 9 (second to Travis Snider).  Last year in the minors, including 1 month+ recovering from a horrible car accident, he was 267/381/339 with 6 errors in the field.  Gotay last year was 247/333/347 with 13 errors. Plus Diaz can more than "kinda" play 3rd and short.  But such is life for Diaz, ever the organization man.  He adds value where ever he plays.  I think he would be a good candidate should there be a need to promote to AAA.

mamboon - Sunday, April 01 2012 @ 12:24 PM EDT (#253587) #
An let me put in my annual gushing for my perrenial fave, "Man Mountain" Mike McDade.  Owing to injuries, McDade had some rough sledding last year, but it is definately New Hampshire's gain to see him back at first base.   IMO McDade is the best fielding  first baseman in the organization as evidenced by the Tony Fernandez Award he received last year as the best defensive player in the field. BTW, Other Fisher Cat infielders with the Tony Fernandez Award under their belts include Jonathan Diaz (2010) and Adieny Hechavarria (2012).  I can hear it now from the stands for the switch hitting McDade...  "Watch out, the Man Mountain's in the house!"
 
stevieboy22 - Sunday, April 01 2012 @ 12:40 PM EDT (#253588) #
Im kind of surprised that Eric Arce never made a team..
The kid only hit 14 hrs in a 172 at bats in the minors..

Whats he going to have to do this season year in short season to open some eyes?
Original Ryan - Sunday, April 01 2012 @ 12:49 PM EDT (#253589) #
Im kind of surprised that Eric Arce never made a team..

It's not surprising. Arce spent almost the entire year in the Gulf Coast League -- the lowest rung of the organizational ladder. It's a bit of a jump from there to the Midwest League.

acepinball - Sunday, April 01 2012 @ 01:32 PM EDT (#253590) #
I think Gomes' big spring earned him the utility position in AAA, leaving Diaz in AA. Those two are candidates to take McCoy's '26th man on the roster' position for the next few years. They can't really develop defense in 8 positions if they're teammates. Hence, one goes to New Hampshire and one to Las Vegas.

One would think Gomes would really excel in a utility role if d'Arnaud and JPA are both with the big club. If one is DHing, then a 3rd catcher is necessary. Gomes could become very valuable as a backup everywhere.
TamRa - Sunday, April 01 2012 @ 03:19 PM EDT (#253591) #
'One would think Gomes would really excel in a utility role if d'Arnaud and JPA are both with the big club. If one is DHing, then a 3rd catcher is necessary. Gomes could become very valuable as a backup everywhere."

A capital observation.
Sano - Sunday, April 01 2012 @ 06:34 PM EDT (#253592) #
I have some minor league news to share with everyone. Last night at my law school graduation banquet I happened to start chatting someone's significant other who works in the media production department of the Vancouver Canadians. He had some interesting tidbits that I want to pass along

Syndergaard- Apparently he's a gym rat. Very devout Christian who doesn't go out and is always watching film to improve. However, worrying news is that apparently he's already starting to feel some tightness in the elbow/shoulder. The Jays are very protective of him and started having him throw sidearm/submarine a little to ease the strain on his arm. The guy predicted that he'd be having TJ surgery in the next year or two. Also a bit cocky. John Schneider, the former manager, got the guy I was talking to to play a joke on Syndergaard by purposely playing "Tutti Frutti" as his walkout pitching music rather than the heavy metal Syndergaard wanted.

Sanchez- The guy rated him as the best starting prospect they had last year. The clear difference he said was that Sanchez has 5 pitches.

Nicolino- Great work ethic. Ranked him #3 of the C's starters.

Said that the only position player that really might make any noise is Jonathan Jones. Said that he was really the heartbeat of the C's offense. Most of the other guys were just filler.

Some other things he said:
1) Beeston and Anthopoulous have been very involved in the Canadians management and organization. Much more than Oakland (previous affiliate) ever was. The Jays regularly send out team higher-ups and apparently the C's players are becoming Jay's fans. The pitchers specifically look up to guys like Halladay and McGowan (two he specifically mentioned as role models).

2) Beeston told him that the Jays actually envision the entire C's starting staff as being major league caliber. Permison was mentioned as being a future closer (not sure I agree with this).

3) The Jays plan for the future is to have all their minor league affiliates in Canada. They really want to have Ottawa get an AA affiliate apparently and have Vancouver go back into the PCL. The idea is to have Canadians all across the country watching the future Jays. Sending a bunch of old Jays players (Alomar, Olerud, Moseby, Barfield) was a part of this plan. Moseby is very funny apparently and was a real hit with the team.

4) He mentioned that the Jays have been much more hands-on than Oakland ever was. The Jays have extremely strict pitch-counts for all their pitchers. They only let them go past the pitch count in the finals of the playoffs (Jesse Hernandez was told that he could go as long as he wanted/felt good with).

5) Mentioned that the manager (John Schneider) was a big part of the team's success last year. Apparently he was very good at connecting with players and helping them to feel comfortable. Had to leave the team because his marriage was breaking down. The replacement was a really old-school manager. New guy for this season is apparently very young (28 years old). He's wondering how the team will take him.

6) Vancouver has apparently been promised most of the Jays best prospects from last year's draft (and the Jays system generally). The Jays want to keep them competitive and make this Toronto Blue Jays "West".
Kelekin - Sunday, April 01 2012 @ 07:02 PM EDT (#253593) #
If I recall from last year, a few changes were made in the last few days from the original released rosters.

It is nice seeing AAA with a bunch of good players this year.  What I find strange is the way they split supposed relievers between AAA / AA.  Farquhar, Uviedo, Magnuson, and Crawford all deserve to be in AAA.  I can't wait to see Randy Boone back.  I doubt he ever gets a shot with us, but I wish him well.

For AA, the offense is a bit weaker than last year.  I think Jimenez is a candidate for offensive struggles, but I of course hope this is not the case.  Hopefully we see some improvement from McDade, like taking walks.  I'm excited for the rotation - I don't see Carreno as a ML starter (and neither do they), but I imagine this is a move to get him more innings because he is so close to the majors.

A+ should have a solid offense this year.  I don't really like that a bunch of these .800 OPS guys are repeating (Ochinko, Schimpf), but I am glad to see Kevin Nolan -hopefully- have a starting role.  He was severely underrated last year.  It'll be nice to see Knecht, Marisnick, and Crouse together again.  I think they'll all be fine in the FSL.  The rotation excites me - Nolin and Lawrence were great in Lansing.  Smith still gives up way too many hits.  Stilson has to easily be the most exciting of the group if healthy, I was so ecstatic when we drafted him.  Hopefully we see Wojo recover this year.  The bullpen is great, Barnes/Antolin/Dyson being the most exciting.  I'm pretty upset they stuck Wright back in A+.  What does this guy have to prove to get to AA?

^The comment about Wright is easily the reason I hate how many AAA relief depth signings we have.  Half the AA bullpen deserves to be in a AAA bullpen.

Lansing will be all about the rotation.  Sanchez, Syndergaard, and Nicolino in full-season ball...excellent.  Let's see if they can turn DeSclafani's power stuff into a starter.  The bullpen is a snore, minus Rule 5 pick Javier Avendano (not Avenado).  The offense certainly sees some repeats - Perez and Hobson are both 21 so a repeat is necessary based on last year.  Hobson had a stellar BB:K ratio, now he just needs to hit for power. I'm excited about the rest of the infield, and hope Sweeney has a nice bounceback (100 BB anyone?).  Chris Hawkins is likely the most well-perceived offensive player on the team this year. 

I'd say my biggest surprises are a lot of the placements of relievers, as well as some of the guys who didn't make full season ball.  But that's what happens with depth.  I think it is safe to say the organization has given up on Fuenmayor.  Permison, Brown, and Misaul Diaz all seemed like candidates to make the Lansing bullpen.

Short-season is going to be amazing.  Arce, Lopes, Atkinson, Opitz, Taylor, Biggs, Dean, Anderson, Smith Jr, Comer, Norris, Adams, Robson, Gaby, Nessy, Thon, Conner, Pompey, Murphy, Cardona, Musgrove, Osuna, and more.

Some of the guys released already: Andrew Liebel (3rd/2008), Milciades Santana (IFA), Matt Nuzzo (26th/2009).
greenfrog - Sunday, April 01 2012 @ 07:13 PM EDT (#253594) #
I'm skeptical about that report on Syndergaard, in part because of the source (Vancouver media production staff?) but mainly because Syndergaard has supposedly looked great recently. And wouldn't experienced observers have noticed if had started throwing sidearm/submarine-style (and would throwing "some pitches" that way really help prevent arm problems in any case)? It seems more likely that doing the latter would actually be more likely to cause (not prevent) injury.
robertdudek - Sunday, April 01 2012 @ 08:13 PM EDT (#253595) #
As evidenced by Crouse being left off of most top 100 prospect lists, I think he might be the most underrated prospect in all of baseball.
Dave Rutt - Sunday, April 01 2012 @ 08:53 PM EDT (#253596) #
Great stuff Sano, thanks so much for the report.
Sano - Monday, April 02 2012 @ 02:15 AM EDT (#253601) #
I wasn't sure what to make of it either greenfrog so take it with a grain of salt. For what it's worth, the Vancouver C's operation seems to be very tight-knit and the guy was involved in/around the players/club a lot. He just heard that Syndergaard had been experiencing some pain/tightness in the arm and that they were experimenting with different ways to minimize the chance of him having to have surgery.
Hodgie - Monday, April 02 2012 @ 09:06 AM EDT (#253602) #
Nicolino as the third best Vancouver starter is quaint.
Gerry - Monday, April 02 2012 @ 09:08 AM EDT (#253603) #

Thanks Sano for the update.  

I am not aware of Syndergaard missing any time.  If he had worrisome tightness in his arm or shoulder then the Jays would shut him down until it feels better.  My speculation on this matter is that his delivery could be putting stress on his arm or shoulder and the Jays are adjusting his delivery to reduce the stress.  But such an adjustment is usually minor, say from straight over the top to 7/8ths or from 7/8ths to 3/4.

We shall see.  As we go through the season I will ask some front office folks about this.

John Northey - Monday, April 02 2012 @ 10:15 AM EDT (#253605) #
I think we all like #3 as a plan. To have all minor league teams in Canada (or as many as possible - Dunedin will always be there or something like it I suspect) would be good for promotional purposes.

So where could the teams go?

AAA: Vancouver or Montreal - Vancouver if you can't get out of the PCL, Montreal if you can grab an IL team and felt that area would support it (doubtful, but possible). I can't see any other even slightly realistic options as I doubt Edmonton or Calgary will get a AAA team again unless the other one gets a team as well, and Winnipeg is also too far away from the rest of its league and has a longer winter than we do.

AA: Ottawa - easy choice as a stadium and a local booster already exist. London is possible as well since they once has a AA team.

A full season: Are any full season A leagues anywhere near Canada? Might not be an option

Short season: lots of possibilities here, as Ontario once had a few teams running, as did Quebec City. Heck, even on the east coast (Halifax, St John, Moncton, Fredericton) I'm sure a few options would exist, especially if another club was willing to put a team there. Other possibilities are in Quebec such as Sherbrooke, Trois Riveres and Quebec City. For the Ontario/Quebec/East coast the NY Penn League is the only real option. However, that would make the east coast tough as they'd have long bus rides - still, as mentioned, if another club was willing to go to that area as well it would make life easier.

My betting is on short season in a couple of places (Medicine Hat again - Pioneer league is the only one that could really work there, plus a NYP league team in either Ontario, Quebec, Nova Scotia or New Brunswick), then Ottawa into AA, and maybe Vancouver getting AAA again if the Jays can buy a AAA team in the PCL. Still, keeping your AAA team way out west does seem odd so that is why I'd put that on the bottom of the possibilities list.
allcanadian34 - Monday, April 02 2012 @ 10:37 AM EDT (#253608) #
Maybe someone who follows other AA rosters would know this, but NH has to be the favourite to repeat for the Eastern league title this year.  That is a SICK rotation.  Even if one or two get called up, Nolin, Lawrence or Wojo should be more than capable of filling in.  Combine that with the very solid bullpen and probably an above-average lineup, and they should definitely be at the top of the league.  Jon Morosi called last year's Fisher Cats the best AA team he's ever seen... In a year or two, that 2011 team might be topped. 

All I can say is I truly hope that the AA Jays will be playing in OTTAWA!!!

Mike Green - Monday, April 02 2012 @ 10:40 AM EDT (#253609) #
I anticipate that the Jays would want to keep the franchises in Dunedin (and probably Lansing as well).  Dunedin is a natural because of the spring training facility, and the need to have a warm place for pitchers to get rehab starts in the spring.  Lansing is convenient because of geographic proximity.

Ideally, for marketing purposes, the club would eventually have franchises in Vancouver, Calgary (or a smaller location in Southern Alberta but they've got to be called the Drillers rather than the Cannons) and Ottawa/Montreal.  You could put a short-season A team in Montreal in the NYPL.  There are Brooklyn and Staten Island teams in the league already, so it might not be seen as insulting, the way a triple A franchise might be. In one of the other divisions, there are clubs in Vermont and Albany not far away.

ColiverPhD - Monday, April 02 2012 @ 10:56 AM EDT (#253610) #
A return to St. Catherines as the Blue Jays New York Penn League entry.  That would be nice...
hypobole - Monday, April 02 2012 @ 11:06 AM EDT (#253611) #
Are the Jays going to keep their spring training facilities in Dunedin? I've heard the Jays would be one of the more likely franchises to move to Arizona for ST. Both the Cubs and Brewers have teams in the FSL, but are Cactus League in the spring.
bpoz - Monday, April 02 2012 @ 11:48 AM EDT (#253623) #
In the NH offensive line up does anyone see much power or speed. Also it seems to me that there are few legit position prospects.

Great pitching in NH. I like Sal Fassano. Lastly nothing wrong with having a lot of hope.
My comments are not meant to be critical. This is just how I see it. I guess our defense is very good.
Lugnut Fan - Monday, April 02 2012 @ 11:56 AM EDT (#253629) #
I don't believe the Jays will be going to Arizona anytime soon. Mr. Selig has put teams relocating to Arizona for spring training on lock down for the time being.
85bluejay - Monday, April 02 2012 @ 12:02 PM EDT (#253634) #

This is the strongest Blue Jays farm system ever and I expect it will be stronger next year - The FO has really done an excellent job of adding talent to the organisation both at the Major League & Minor league level.I'm especially happy at the conservative approach to promoting players, the player should earn the promotion and not be promoted because of pedigree (see high school prospects from 2007 draft). I'm also impressed by the new development team for the farm system, last year fewer prospects seemed to under-perform and there was even a glint of hope in some of the 2007 HS picks. With some of the 1st wave of talent expected to become ML ready sometime this year, the Jays will be in an excellent position to trade for the type of quality talent many posters wished had occurred this offseason - It will be interesting to see whom the Jays retain and whom they trade - I hope they hold onto D'arnuad & Gose.Man, Am I excited about the coming minor league season!!

 

John Northey - Monday, April 02 2012 @ 12:55 PM EDT (#253649) #
I wonder...

Now that teams are seriously limited on what they can spend in the draft and on international players could the Jays be well advised to look at having more teams in the lower minors to try to find those diamonds in the rough to help grow the organization?

So, say, add 2 teams in the NYPenn league or another short season team (such as Medicine Hat or even Calgary) so they can have more minor league players kicking than anyone else.

That would allow the team to take longer looks and give more playing time to guys early on - see if those lower draft picks can do the job given a shot. Especially if more guys stay in college so in 2-4 years you have a batch of guys coming out ready for the NYP level who will sign cheaply but will only be around for a year or two before moving on into 'real life'. Perhaps sign a few more 99k contracts with 11th and beyond rounds (100k counts against the cap) to gain a few more of those lottery tickets.

If it works well, then an extra full-season A team might be needed at some point as well.

So more work for our minor league guys! C'mon, 7 summaries a day isn't enough we need 9 or 10 per day!
Sano - Monday, April 02 2012 @ 01:04 PM EDT (#253651) #
Dunedin will stay in the system. My "source" said that was the exception to their plan.

Also Gerry- just a request that perhaps you don't mention any specifics of how you got the information on Syndergaard. I wouldn't want to get my friend into trouble.:S
gabrielthursday - Monday, April 02 2012 @ 02:38 PM EDT (#253682) #
I'm really sceptical that the Jays would be well-served by filling out their minor leagues with Canadian franchises. In almost all cases, such clubs would require the longest road trips within their leagues (and hassles over the border), they'd be cold-weather franchises, and there's no guarantee the stadia will be first-rate.  I would be loath to leave affiliates where the Jays have a long-standing, productive and successful record of development (New Hampshire particularly) in order to fulfil the marketing plans of Rogers.
Original Ryan - Monday, April 02 2012 @ 04:18 PM EDT (#253706) #
I would be loath to leave affiliates where the Jays have a long-standing, productive and successful record of development (New Hampshire particularly) in order to fulfil the marketing plans of Rogers.

Same here. I'm not crazy about the Ottawa idea. If affiliating with the Blue Jays is the only way a team there can survive, then it's probably not a strong enough baseball market to have a team.

Vancouver becoming a AAA affiliate for the Blue Jays doesn't make much sense. It's very desirable for major league teams to have their AAA clubs nearby so that call-ups can be made on short notice. Since they've been affiliated with Las Vegas, the Blue Jays have been forced to play with fewer than 25 players on the roster on several occasions. While direct flights between Toronto and Vancouver are plentiful, travel becomes more complicated when one of the teams goes on the road. For this reason alone, Buffalo or Rochester would be far superior AAA affiliates for the Blue Jays, if an agreement with one of them could be reached.

There are other reasons why AAA baseball is doubtful to return to Vancouver any time soon. The weather in April and May makes short-season ball more practical, and I doubt the local governments would be willing to pony up the cash for a new ballpark with the amount they've had to spend on sports facilities recently.

Sano - Monday, April 02 2012 @ 05:28 PM EDT (#253717) #
With all due respect Original Ryan, the weather won't be the problem for an AAA Vancouver team. I have lived here for 3 years now and April/May are beautiful in Vancouver. It's perfect for baseball. There are most probably other problems (stadium!) that are more pressing.
Kelekin - Monday, April 02 2012 @ 08:22 PM EDT (#253728) #
The only way we get a team back in Calgary is if we get a better stadium, I feel.  It is still well located - right across from a train station on the main line, and beside the CFL stadium.  But I feel it could use an upgrade.  There is actually a baseball academy across the street from it, now.

I miss my Cannons, even if they were an affiliate of the terrible Pirates.  My baseball glove still has Tony Womack's autograph on it.
TamRa - Monday, April 02 2012 @ 09:35 PM EDT (#253732) #
Garrett Maines tweeted something along the lines of "leaving the Jays complex for the last time"

Was there another round of cuts today?
Gerry - Monday, April 02 2012 @ 10:58 PM EDT (#253742) #
Once the full season teams are named, the Jays keep approx two teams worth of players for extended spring and the rest are released. If you work it out the Jays had 7 teams active at the end of last season. They now have four full season teams and two teams in extended.

They also added some 2011 draftees who signed late and some latin players. To offset those, a team worth of players has to be released. Some of those have already been announced over the winter but there were probably a dozen players released this weekend. The full list will come out this week.
cybercavalier - Monday, April 02 2012 @ 11:06 PM EDT (#253743) #
With respect, Original Ryan. With Rogers Communications earnings, would it be possible that Rogers paid for the upgrading Nat Bailey Stadium to an indoor park ?
Original Ryan - Monday, April 02 2012 @ 11:14 PM EDT (#253744) #
With Rogers Communications earnings, would it be possible that Rogers paid for the upgrading Nat Bailey Stadium to an indoor park ?

It would be prohibitively expensive and impractical, given the limited revenue that a minor league baseball team generates.

Sano - Monday, April 02 2012 @ 11:58 PM EDT (#253748) #
The Nat does need a big face-life and probably some structural revamping as well. It has a nice "old" feel to it but my friend said that some of the facilities are pretty decrepit. I also don't know what their attendance is consistently, but they do seem to be a huge hit in Vancouver. At least I hear about people going to games quite a bit, and the game I went to (granted Friday afternoon in August) was full.

MrPurple - Tuesday, April 03 2012 @ 09:23 AM EDT (#253757) #
Yes Please! I would love the St Catharines Stompers to make a return! Mostly because I could walk there. Not to mention be the P.A. announcer.
John Northey - Tuesday, April 03 2012 @ 09:44 AM EDT (#253759) #
Vancouver had 162,162 in attendance last year over 38 home games (not sure if they had any double headers) or 4267 per game. That was good for 2nd in the 8 team league. 21k behind Spokane, 48k ahead of #3 Eugene, 96k ahead of last place Yakima.

Very good attendance for a short season A ball team.

For comparison, in the NY-Penn league the range is from 245k (Brooklyn) to 37k (Batavia). 4 teams (out of 14) in that league had higher attendance than Vancouver did. Auburn (who the Jays used to be affiliated with) had 48k in attendance. The Pioneer League (the lowest rung) had a range of 130k (Ogden) to 37k (Helena).
Noah - Tuesday, April 03 2012 @ 10:04 AM EDT (#253760) #
Well this just got interesting...

Jays option Brett Cecil to AA, send Aaron Laffey to AAA and recall Joel Carreno.

John Lott is reporting that the rotation will be Romero, Morrow, Carreno, Alvarez, Drabek.
allcanadian34 - Tuesday, April 03 2012 @ 01:54 PM EDT (#253799) #
To add to the "with all due respect chorus" I think you're completely wrong about Ottawa.  The current team occupying our ball stadium is the Ottawa Fat Cats, who play in the Intercounty Baseball League (IBL).  It's semi-pro and the team payroll is less than $75,000/year I believe.  To give you an idea of the level, I play in a ball league where players from the Fat Cats play on the top tier teams... Basically, we're not talking about top quality baseball here and there is no MLB affiliation.

Even with this, the average attendance in the inaugural season was 2,328/game, which is a bit below average if you compare it to like the Midwest League, but is roughly on par with the Pioneer League or California League and is much higher than the FSL. 

However, when you look at what the average attendance come playoff time last year, the Fat Cats averaged 4,120 fans/game, which is roughly the average for Eastern League games. 

Let's not also forget that when the Lynx were affiliated with the Expos, the Lynx set IL attendance records.  The attendance was dropping when the stadium ran into parking issues (which have now been resolved) and the team affiliation went to the Orioles (with a crappy farm system and a Blue Jays rival - great combo!).

In short, Ottawa has plenty of appetite for Minor League Baseball.  It has to be done right - with Jays affiliation and in the right league - in order for it to be greatly successful, but let's not make assumptions that the city of Ottawa isn't a strong enough market.  

Gerry - Wednesday, April 04 2012 @ 07:56 PM EDT (#253885) #

Jesse Goldberg-Strassler, the Lansing Lugnuts broadcaster, and his new partner Keaton Gillogly have recorded a pre-season podcast. The podcast reviews the roster and gives you background on many players.

You can find the podcast here. Note: I had to click on properties and unblock the file to get it to play.

wacker - Thursday, April 05 2012 @ 12:43 PM EDT (#253919) #
I see Hobson is on the reserve list. What does this mean? Injury? And where's j Jackson? Can't find him.
Sano - Thursday, April 05 2012 @ 02:28 PM EDT (#253929) #
Justin Jackson is in New Hampshire. Or at least Kevin Gray and Michael McDade both said that he'd be (in Gray's pre-season youtube chat with McDade and Hutchison).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0rm3rRSbWw&feature=player_embedded
wacker - Thursday, April 05 2012 @ 02:57 PM EDT (#253931) #
I thought for sure someone would say Jackson has been missing for the last 5 years hahaha
wacker - Thursday, April 05 2012 @ 03:18 PM EDT (#253932) #
I thought for sure someone would say Jackson has been missing for the last 5 years hahaha
cybercavalier - Wednesday, October 30 2013 @ 01:05 AM EDT (#280156) #
So far this thread is the most recent on baseball in the Prairies, I just chip my recent thought here without posting in a recent thread a comment that seems out of place there.

The Can-Am League and American Association of Professional Baseball serve Winnipeg and Quebec with three teams. Beginning 2012 season, interleague play between these two leagues brought these Canadian teams in regular season game play. Meanwhile, Edmonton and Calgary baseball are without professional teams. So before plan #3 becoming reality and counting on Rogers' commitment to baseball in Canada, would Rogers pushing for baseball in Alberta, for example, Edmonton to play in that AA league, and divert some resources (scouts etc.) in those two leagues. Economy in Alberta is one of if not the strongest among Canadian provinces and territories so tapping into baseball market in Alberta make sense for Rogers.

By the way, what is the minor league baseball equivalent level of play of these two leagues ?
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