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Breaking News Roy Halladay Traded to Philies
Roy Halladay has reportedly been traded to the Philadelphia Phillies in a three-team deal that also involves Seattle. The trade is apparently contingent on him signing a contract extension, which appears likely. There is a chance this is not a three-team trade, but is rather two separate trades involving Philadelphia, one where they acquire Roy Halladay and one where they ship pitching, probably Cliff Lee, to Seattle. Caution: everything is still tentative at this point, although all indications are that some deal will be finalized in the next 24 to 48 hours.

The latest rumours suggest that Kyle Drabek, Michael Taylor and Travis d'Arnaud are prospects that Toronto may receive for Halladay and there is still the possibility they acquire some prospects from Seattle. Seattle appears likely to include Phillipe Aumont, among others that possibly include Tyson Gillies, in a deal to Philadelphia for Lee. JA Happ and Joe Blanton took physicals in Philadelphia today, but it does not appear that either is in the deal, as far as is known at this point.

Roy Halladay leaves the Rogers Centre mound for the final time in 2009 after throwing a complete game shutout in the Jays 5-0 win over the Seattle Mariners September 25th.  Behind "Doc" is catcher Rod Barajas, who's also expected to find employment elsewhere in 2010.

Posted by Thomas on Monday, December 14 2009 @ 05:03 PM EST.
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Jdog - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 05:14 PM EST (#209537) #
Some people are reporting Brown some people reporting Taylor.
Taylor is bigger than I thought. He's listed at 6'6 250 lbs. He put up a 977 OPS in the Eastern League last year. I know Brown is regarded as the better prospect but Taylor is no slouch at all after looking at his numbers.

Roy to Phillies is best case scenario for me, it will be absolutely awesome seeing Roy throw a game 7 WS winner to beat Burnett and the Yankees
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China fan - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 05:15 PM EST (#209538) #

Brown's numbers at A+ and AA are not much better than those of Moises Sierra, who is a year younger.

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Gerry - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 05:15 PM EST (#209539) #

If you think about the trade the Lee for Halladay deal is close to even, Phillies will probably give up one prospect.  However Seattle are getting Cliff Lee who should cost three or four prospects, one of whom could go to Philly in partial return on Brown/Taylor. 

So who do Seattle have as premier prospects to give up other than Aumont.  They have Michael Saunders, another Canadian outfielder, although I don't think he is a premium prospect.  Brandon Morrow's name has also been mentioned but I am not sure what value he has as the Mariners have moved him back and forward between the bullpen and the rotation.  Seattle will have to pay dearly for this deal.

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Paul D - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 05:17 PM EST (#209540) #

I have a hard time believing this, but the speculation on Primer is that Toronto's getting:

<i>Tyson Gillies (SEA)
Philippe Aumont (SEA)
Juan Ramirez (SEA)
M. Taylor (PHI)
Dominic Brown (PHI)</i>

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Ozzieball - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 05:18 PM EST (#209541) #
The rumoured other guys are Juan Ramirez and Tyson Gillies.

KLAW called Ramirez a 2nd starter and and Gillies is legally deaf so he's cool in my books.

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ayjackson - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 05:18 PM EST (#209542) #
Wilner speculated that MAriners might have wanted Downs and Overbay as well (two needed lefties with expiring contracts).  I've also heard that the Jays might be sending cash somewhere (which we always assumed when discussing maximizing return on Overbay, in particular).
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Smithers - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 05:18 PM EST (#209543) #
So AA's Waterloo comes early, time to nut up or shut up.  If this trade becomes as profoundly franchise-changing as the Alomar-Carter-McGriff-Fernandez deal oh so many years ago then the Jays could have reinvigorated their casual fan base, and paved the way for many more 3rd place finishes down the line.  Hopefully Michael Saunders (a good B.C. boy) and Phillipe Aumont (who the Jays were apparently quite interested in drafting before he got scooped up by the M's) are part of the return and the Jays can finally add some Canadian stars to their roster, the likes of which haven't been seen since Paul Quantrill took his traveling show from town years ago. 

The page needed to be turned and everyone knew it.  Let the catharsis begin.
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Thomas - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 05:19 PM EST (#209544) #
One report I read which, like them all, should be taken with a grain of salt, is that Seattle is giving up Aumont, Gilles and Juan Ramirez. That's from ESPN710 in Seattle.

It's not clear if that is all to Toronto, but if its those three along with Brown or Taylor that's better than what Philly got for Lee right off the bat. Gilles was raised in the other thread by Mike Green.
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Jdog - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 05:22 PM EST (#209545) #
Sad to hear no mention of Truinfel coming back yet.

Michael Saunders wikipedia page already has him as a member of the Blue Jays acquired in the Halladay deal...not that it means anything.
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Gerry - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 05:27 PM EST (#209547) #
Ramirez was Seattle's #4 prospect heading into last season but according to the baseball cube he has aged 2 years as compared to baseball america.  Ramirez pitched in high A in 2009 with a 5 ERA.  Gillies was Seattle's #20 prospect, and Gillies is from Vancouver.  BA rates Gillies as having 80 speed and being a centrefielder and top of the order hitter.  Gillies hit .340 in high A this season.
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Thomas - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 05:27 PM EST (#209548) #
I don't see how Toronto could be getting both Brown and Taylor.
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Ron - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 05:28 PM EST (#209549) #
Since it looks like this trade is more than a rumour, it’s fun to speculate about the names.

This is how I see the trade going down:

Jays receive:

Dominic Brown,Carlos Triunfel,Tyson Gillies,Phillipe Aumont,Travis D’Arnaud

Phillies receive:

Roy Halladay,Brandon Morrow

Mariners receive:

Cliff Lee, Lyle Overbay

Let the speculation continue…….

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greenfrog - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 05:28 PM EST (#209550) #
I would be fine with the Jays maxing out the return by including Downs, Overbay and paying some of Doc's 2010 salary.

Other things being equal, I'm glad he's headed to the NL. It makes way more sense than potentially having him spend his 30s pitching for NY or Boston. Plus, it will be easier to cheer for him in the postseason.
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greenfrog - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 05:31 PM EST (#209551) #
I'm thinking:

PHI: Doc + Downs
SEA: Lee + Overbay
TOR: Taylor, Aumont, Ramirez + Saunders
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Brian W - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 05:33 PM EST (#209552) #
Is it just me or do the Mariners not seem to be paying enough for Lee?

My understanding is something like: Halladay + cash to the Phillies for Lee, Taylor and Brown then Lee to Seattle for Aumont, Gillies and Ramirez.

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Gerry - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 05:36 PM EST (#209553) #
 BA had Aumont as the #5 prospect in the California League.  Gillies was #13.  Gillies comp was Curtis Granderson with less power.
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ayjackson - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 05:41 PM EST (#209554) #

I don't see cash following Halladay - they're negotiating an extention with Doc, they're not looking for payment of part of the $15m.  I see cash being evident of Overbay being moved.

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Moe - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 05:44 PM EST (#209555) #
I'm happy for Roy that it's over and that he's with a contender. But I somehow doubt he'll actually win a WS with this fast aging Phillies core. You have to wonder that a team that was in back-to-back WS has to part with an ace for financial reasons. I see another WS appearance in the next two years, but that's about it. Well, still better than what the Jays could ever offer him.

I'm not really super impressed with any of the names, but with prospects, especially 2a and 2b types, going for quantity might not be the worst thing. And it's not too much worse than what was rumored during the summer. But I guess we'll have to wait and see a few more hours/days (and years)


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#2JBrumfield - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 05:50 PM EST (#209556) #

Circle June 25th to the 27th on your calendar.  That's when the Phillies are in town for a weekend set.  Imagine if Doc gets a start in that series!  Also, he can't wear #32 there because it's retired.  That belonged to some guy named Carlton.

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greenfrog - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 05:56 PM EST (#209557) #
From espn:

"As part of the deal, Halladay would agree to a three-year extension through 2013, with a vesting option that could lengthen the deal by another year or two, one source said. The extension is expected to guarantee Halladay in the neighborhood of $60 million, plus the $15.75 million he would make in 2010, the final year of his current contract.

According to a source who spoke with two teams involved in the trade, Toronto would get highly regarded Mariners pitching prospect Phillippe Aumont, Phillies catching prospect Travis d'Arnaud and another Phillies prospect in exchange for Halladay. Indications are that the Phillies have balked at Toronto's repeated requests for outfielder Domonic Brown, and the Phillies are offering highly touted outfielder Michael Taylor instead.

Seattle would also send two prospects to Philadelphia in exchange for Lee, who is a year away from free agency.

As of late Monday afternoon, the extension had not been agreed upon. And the Blue Jays and Phillies were still haggling over the final prospect. In addition, Phillies doctors would have to sign off on Halladay's physical."

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4742072
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Mike Forbes - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 06:00 PM EST (#209559) #
I wouldn't be thrilled about only receiving Aumont, Taylor and D'Anard (Spelling?) for Halladay. That is neither quality or quantity.
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Rich - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 06:04 PM EST (#209560) #
I'm happy for Roy that it's over and that he's with a contender. But I somehow doubt he'll actually win a WS with this fast aging Phillies core. You have to wonder that a team that was in back-to-back WS has to part with an ace for financial reasons. I see another WS appearance in the next two years, but that's about it.

Not sure about that.  Their core players are all 30 or under - Howard, Utley, Rollins, Werth, Victorino, and Hamels.  The Yankees won this year with a much older team.  They'll have Doc and still some good prospects in Drabek, and at least one of Brown and Taylor.  They draft well and are not a poor club.  And they didn't part with Lee because they are poor; they dealt him because he won't sign an extension without testing the market.  All this and the fact that the competition in the NL is not strong.
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Thomas - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 06:06 PM EST (#209561) #
If true, that is a very reasonable extension for the Phillies. It's also completely in line with what Roy repeatedly said and what we know about him, which is that it isn't about the money so much as the opportunity to win.
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greenfrog - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 06:07 PM EST (#209562) #
D'Arnaud was the Phillies' fourth-best prospect in November (i.e. after the Lee trade), according to BA.

I think Brown, Aumont, D'Arnaud, and another decent prospect from Seattle would be a good haul.

It's hard to imagine AA and the other two GMs not agreeing on the key players before getting this far. You would have to think that the Brown vs. Taylor issue has already been resolved. If it hasn't, I hope AA holds out for the players he wants. There is no point in dealing Doc for players who will end up being average or slightly-above.
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jgadfly - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 06:07 PM EST (#209563) #
Taylor at 6'6" and 250 lbs with middling to minus speed at 23 is not an outfielder I would really want in return ...
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timpinder - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 06:11 PM EST (#209564) #

d'Araud was the Phillies 4th best prospect?  Just looking at his minor league numbers, they're not exactly overwhelming.

In my opinion Aumont, d'Araud and Tayor aren't nearly enough for Roy Halladay.  The Jays had better be getting somebody else back.

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Mylegacy - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 06:24 PM EST (#209565) #
Taylor - 6'6" 250 pounds - 18 steals caught 4 times.

I know chopped liver when I sees it - an' with Taylor I don't see no chopped liver. This guy could be an excellent corner outfielder - All-Star type guy.
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greenfrog - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 06:30 PM EST (#209566) #
Agreed that Taylor is a very good prospect (23rd-best in baseball in BA's midseason 2009 rankings). But Brown seems to be a notch better (younger, faster, better tools, better defence). He meshes better with the Jays' needs.

Prospects are always a gamble, and Taylor could end up being the better player, but when you're trading someone of Doc's calibre, you'd better get the player (or players) you want in return.
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timpinder - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 06:31 PM EST (#209567) #
According to the Associated Press (via TSN), Blanton, Happ and Dominic Brown all took physicals today.  Perhaps this deal is even bigger than expected.  Before I sour on it I suppose I should wait to see the return.  I'd definitely prefer Brown to Taylor.
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Gerry - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 06:42 PM EST (#209569) #

Posted initially to wrong thread...

The Phillies 2010 top prospects were published by BA last month.

Here is the "Gerry" summary:

#1 Brown - Age 22, .802 OPS in 147 AA AB's.  Plus's - toolsy, 5 tool potential, good arm.  Minus's - raw, may not develop power, can chase pitches out of the zone. 

#3 Taylor - Age 23 (24 next week), .850 OPS in 110 AAA AB's.  Plus's - Few holes in swing, good power, above average in LF, good baserunner.  Minus's - needs to be more selective.  Conditioning an issue due to juvenile diabetes

#4 D'Arnaud - Age 20, 782. OPS in full season at Low A.  Plus's - developing power, good arm.  Minus's - footwork, lunges at breaking balls

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TamRa - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 06:48 PM EST (#209570) #
I'm real frustrated about the slowness of confirmation but I, for one, am sold on Taylor.

Not being a Canadian I'm not all worked up about Aumount but if he were good enough to be, for instance, a papelbon or nathan type closer then that's a lot of value.

The Catcher is supposed to be quite good defensively with some offensive potential but he's at least three years away.

I really hope there's a fourth player if that's the actual package. Brandon Marrow at least.

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TamRa - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 06:51 PM EST (#209571) #
I saw a Phillies blogger discussing Taylor and he had him slotted in RF....what's the word on whether Taylor will be a better right fielder than Snider?


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Gwyn - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 06:54 PM EST (#209572) #
The Phillies are in Toronto June 25th, 26th and 27th next year. 
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Jim - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 07:25 PM EST (#209575) #
If it's the players reported by ESPN it's pretty underwhelming.  They had no other moves to make though.. if the Boston signing of Lackey is real there wasn't much of a market left.
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ayjackson - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 07:27 PM EST (#209576) #

Taylor would instantly be our number one prospect.  D'Arnaud and Aumont would be top 5, with Stewart and Alvarez.

I think this is going to be big, with multiple Jays on the way out.

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Thomas - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 07:32 PM EST (#209577) #
That game on the 25th was a really fun game to be at.

Reportedly Philly is a bit short in their bullpen right now as they non-tendered Clay Condrey and didn't offer arbitration to Chan Ho Park or Scott Eyre, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Toronto send a reliever their way.
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Mike Green - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 07:32 PM EST (#209578) #
Taylor, Brown, Aumont and Halladay have one thing in common.  They're very tall.  Randy Newman lives.
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Nick Holmes - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 07:34 PM EST (#209579) #
The Phillies are in Toronto June 25th, 26th and 27th next year.
The first time that @#$%ing "rivalry" matchup would actually have any meaning.
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China fan - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 07:34 PM EST (#209580) #
One significant development that has escaped comment so far today:  AA is totally abandoning any possibility of acquiring a major-league pitcher as part of the Halladay deal.   No more talk of a Hughes or a Buchholz or a Billingsley as part of the deal.  It's prospects only, and all of those prospects seem to be at least two years away from reaching the majors.  What does this mean?  A further writing-off of the 2010 and 2011 seasons, for one thing, and a confirmation that the team will be rebuilding for at least two years, with 2012 being the first potential season when the Jays could even hope to compete.   Of course this will suit some Bauxites just fine, and in fact it might be the best long-term strategy.  But it's still a significant shift in strategy (remember a year ago when the Jays brass were claiming that 2010 was the target year?) and it's worth noting.
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ayjackson - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 07:47 PM EST (#209581) #

I didn't see Buchholz, Hughes and Billingsley getting offered.

This is nothing more than trading a player who was not going to re-sign for the best available package of talent.  I for one am glad there's no mediocre major leaguers coming back.

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Mike Green - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 07:47 PM EST (#209582) #
Tango joked that he would not be able to give advice on a Dave Stieb/Randy Johnson deal because of a conflict.  I wonder if he knew that the Mariners and Jays would be involved in big trade discussions within a couple of weeks.
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Ron - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 07:51 PM EST (#209583) #
Brown reminds me of Alex Rios. Both guys are tall and lanky. Just like with Rios, people say Brown will start hitting HR’s once his body fills out. Both players are/were 5 tool prospects. While having a strong arm, Brown also has question marks out in the field. He sometimes takes strange routes to the ball and as a result he makes some routine plays like look an adventure. This was the knock against him when he played at Clearwater and Reading and his performance in the AFL confirms this.

People view Michael Taylor as the lesser of the 2 because of his age. Taylor is turning 24 this week and he’s close to major league ready. Taylor is big but he’s not fat or slow. Taylor isn’t as fast or have a strong of an arm as Brown, but he’s pretty much better in every other area. Taylor is also a big fan of “The Show” series on the PS3 so he gets brownie points from me.

You can’t go wrong with either player. Both players are miles better than anybody else currently in the Jays farm system.

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Gwyn - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 07:52 PM EST (#209584) #
"People now saying Aumont not in the deal" - Bob Elliott on twitter
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Brent S - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 07:52 PM EST (#209585) #
Bob Elliot is tweeting that Aumont is not part of the deal. Gah. This is bad on my nerves.
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China fan - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 07:55 PM EST (#209586) #

Ayjackson, I never said that any of those three major-league pitchers were definitely offered to the Jays.   I said there was talk of it.  In fact there was plenty of speculation about it, if you check the comment threads on Batters Box alone.   My point is that AA may have contemplated that route, but he decided not to seek a veteran pitcher as part of the deal, and that's an important choice that he has made, for better or worse, with big implications for the fate of the Jays in 2010 and 2011.

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greenfrog - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 08:02 PM EST (#209587) #
I wonder whether Philly is having second thoughts about a three-way deal. It must be tempting to just keep Lee and send the Jays Drabek + Taylor.
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Gwyn - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 08:06 PM EST (#209588) #
I wonder whether Philly is having second thoughts about a three-way deal. It must be tempting to just keep Lee and send the Jays Drabek + Taylor.

It doesn't look like they have the payroll to keep Lee and get Doc.
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Jim - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 08:07 PM EST (#209589) #
If no Aumont is true then thank God.  We've already got Brandon League, no need for a Canadian version.
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Gwyn - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 08:09 PM EST (#209590) #
and more from mlbtraderumours;

7:04pm: Drabek and "other top [Phillies] prospects" will be involved in the deal, according to Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly.com (via Twitter).  According to Salisbury, Brown will remain with the club.

I'm so confused now, I'm not sure what my name is....

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Mike Green - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 08:10 PM EST (#209591) #
That's funny.  As I was walking home, I was thinking about the similarities between League and Aumont, although not as negatively as that.
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Brent S - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 08:10 PM EST (#209592) #
I have a funny feeling that Drabek or Morrow is involved. AA's been after a SP for a while now, if the rumours are to be believed. Waiting one team to crack with one of their top SP prospects seemed to be his modus operandi.
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greenfrog - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 08:10 PM EST (#209593) #
CSNPhilly.com says that D'Arnaud, Drabek and Taylor are headed to Toronto, along with a prospect (possibly Aumont) from Seattle.
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Brent S - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 08:11 PM EST (#209594) #
I really have to refresh my page before posting.
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greenfrog - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 08:18 PM EST (#209595) #
I think one reason that Amaro has to make this deal is the amazing contract Halladay appears to be agreeing to. He's getting Doc's age 32-36 (more or less) seasons at a reasonable price (especially if the Jays cover part of his 2010 salary). The total cost could work out to less than $20M/year for four years or so. Compare Johan Santana's deal: 6 years/$137.5M (plus club option for an additional year).

If Amaro doesn't make the deal, he runs the risk of having no Doc and no Lee (i.e., no ace) at the start of 2011.
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Mike Forbes - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 08:20 PM EST (#209596) #
Now D'Arnard, Drabek, Taylor and random Mariners prospect (Mayo tweets that Trunifel is involved somehow) would be a lot better. I'd smile over that if Trunifel came to the Jays. A top pitching, catching, outfield and shortstop prospect all in one deal is what we all asked for.

Of course, this deal has me feeling like im bi-polar...
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TamRa - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 08:32 PM EST (#209597) #
  It's prospects only, and all of those prospects seem to be at least two years away from reaching the majors.

Taylor isn't 2 years away. Neither is Drabek if in fact we end up with him. Neither is Saunders if he were part of the Seattle return.

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chris_jays - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 08:38 PM EST (#209598) #
In non Halladay related news, Jays sign Catcher Ramon Castro to 1 year, 1M deal.
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Mike Green - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 08:43 PM EST (#209599) #
Castro is a nice back-up.  I touted him earlier.  Between him, Chavez and Buck, the club is in decent shape behind the plate, buying time until Carlos Perez is ready 3 years from now or so. 
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Original Ryan - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 08:47 PM EST (#209600) #
Today's saga just reinforces my general hatred of trade rumours.  Since the Toronto-Philadelphia-Seattle deal was first mentioned, just about every prospect worth mentioning in the Phillies and Mariners systems has been on his way to Toronto at some point today.
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RhyZa - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 08:51 PM EST (#209601) #
M's will be making out like bandits if they are not giving up much here.  Lee at a bargain price for 1 year, and will recoup 2 draft picks in the process assuming he leaves.  Something is missing here.
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Wildrose - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 08:55 PM EST (#209602) #
Personally I love all this rumor mongering. Elliott ( who has lots of legitimate baseball contacts) confirms Drabek is now in/Aumont out.



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Jim - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 08:56 PM EST (#209603) #

Taylor isn't 2 years away. Neither is Drabek if in fact we end up with him. Neither is Saunders if he were part of the Seattle return.

I think that depends on your definition of 2 years away.  Saunders could break camp with the major league team but he really isn't going to help you win ballgames in 2010.  Drabek has never thrown an inning above the Eastern League and Taylor has 110 at bats at AAA.  If you are saying will they be on the team within two years then yes.  Will they really contribute at the major league level before 2012?  Maybe.
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Rich - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 09:07 PM EST (#209604) #
Don't see how most of the prospects don't come from Seattle.  The Jays and Phils are both giving up Cy Young winners and the M's are likely only giving up prospects.  I realize Philly gets the most valuable property as Roy is a better pitcher and will sign an extension, but there's no way the M's are getting Lee for the cost of a single prospect.
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Mick Doherty - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 09:08 PM EST (#209605) #
The Phillies are in Toronto June 25th, 26th and 27th next year.

The first time that @#$%ing "rivalry" matchup would actually have any meaning.

Oh, I dunno -- I seem to recall a series of some sort in the early- to mid-1990s that mattered a little bit. Joe Carter had something to do with it, didn't he?

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JohnL - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 09:17 PM EST (#209606) #
the club is in decent shape behind the plate, buying time until Carlos Perez is ready 3 years from now or so.

Does anyone have a list of all the catching prospects the Jays were waiting for over the past 20 years?  I think the number that became made it (at least as 1st string catchers) is  0.


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Nick Holmes - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 09:28 PM EST (#209607) #
I seem to recall a series of some sort in the early- to mid-1990s that mattered a little bit. ...and yet that history didn't make recent interleague series against the Phils even as interesting to me as the old exhibition games against the Expos. The chance to see Halladay again will make me much more likely to go to the games.
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greenfrog - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 09:36 PM EST (#209608) #
OK, Elliott says that Aumont is headed to the Phillies. Things could be solidifying. Maybe something like:

PHI: Doc + Aumont + Saunders
SEA: Lee (+ Overbay/Downs?)
TOR: Taylor/Brown, Drabek, D'Arnaud + Triunfel
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Thomas - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 09:38 PM EST (#209609) #
Elliott reports Aumont is back in the deal (or, more likely, he never left), but he's not coming to Toronto. He's going to the Phillies.

This is a wild ride.
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Jim - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 09:45 PM EST (#209610) #
Rich has it right.  Since the Phillies are trading Lee then most of the prospects have to come from Seattle. 

It's got to the teams giving up something like

Tor: Halladay
Phi: Lee + 1 prospect
Sea: 3 prospects

Philadelphia is only paying for the slight upgrade and the fact that Roy is going to sign long term.  Seattle throws in extra prospects because they get the 2 picks when Lee doesn't resign (not being willing to sign is why Phili is dealing him).  

Toronto will probably get 3 prospects, the Phillies will probably get 1.  Unless Toronto is sending another major league player to Philadelphia I don't see how it's Taylor AND Drabek. 



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Thomas - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 09:45 PM EST (#209611) #
In non Halladay related news, Jays sign Catcher Ramon Castro to 1 year, 1M deal.

Two thumbs down.

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85bluejay - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 10:07 PM EST (#209612) #

If Lee is going to Seattle, I would be surprised. - I tend to think it will be Blanton & Happ going to Seattle - They have been looking for 2 starters and

to extend Lee would cost them big bucks while they still haven't extended king Felix. If the Jays can include Overbay going to Seattle that would allow

Lind to 1b especially if Michael Saunders or michael Taylor is coming to Toronto. 

I have to say all this speculation is driving me CRAZY - If we get back a bunch of Jason Arnolds & John-Ford Griffin types I am going to be pissed - Hopefully

quality over quantity is AA's motto.

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TamRa - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 10:14 PM EST (#209613) #
Castro is a nice back-up.  I touted him earlier.  Between him, Chavez and Buck, the club is in decent shape behind the plate, buying time until Carlos Perez is ready 3 years from now or so.

I'm going to say the same about Castro as i said (erroniously) about Barrett last year - he could end up being the starter by mid-season.

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TamRa - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 10:26 PM EST (#209614) #
TOR: Taylor/Brown, Drabek, D'Arnaud + Triunfel

I hope this is how it turns out.

I'd be in full gloat over all the experts who insisted the jays would have to take a lot less now than they would have gotten in July.

And three of those guys would be our top 3 prospects right off.

Anyone else notice BA didn't post the Jays top 10 today as was scheduled?

I wonder if they are holding off in order to try to rework the list in light of the deal?

Maybe they should go ahead and do the O's and come back to the Jays...?

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brent - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 10:30 PM EST (#209615) #

I guess GM AA got sick of trying to deal with Pittsburgh asking too much for overpaid players.

Anyway, there is no need to get worked up about any of these 1 or 2 year deals when they are not going to try to be competitive.

There have been 3 Ramon Castros in MLB history, BTW.

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greenfrog - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 10:37 PM EST (#209616) #
Well, the latest rumour from Stark seems to be:

PHI: Doc, Aumont, Gillies
SEA: Lee
TOR: Taylor, D'Arnaud, + Drabek/Happ (likely Drabek)

This at least sounds plausible. The Jays get a couple of B+/A prospects (Drabek, Taylor) and a B catching prospect. Seattle gets an ace rental for a year in exchange for two good but not top-tier prospects. Philly gets Doc on favourable contractual terms and two B/B+ prospects. They hang on to Brown and prevent their farm system from being decimated.

I think you could make a case for all three teams coming out ahead, with Philly arguably getting the best of the deal--especially if Aumont can stay healthy.
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Thomas - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 10:42 PM EST (#209617) #
Anyway, there is no need to get worked up about any of these 1 or 2 year deals when they are not going to try to be competitive.

It's not the length of the deal. It's who they signed.

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Jdog - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 10:48 PM EST (#209618) #
The latest scenario(greenfrogs) seems like the most plausible we have seen so far. Seattle is doing really well for themselves by getting Lee(who should be excellent in Safeco) while only giving up a RP prospect and 4th OF type. I would have been happy with a Drabek/Taylor return....much better than a Saunders/Aybar package in my opinion. We need to get a C+ prospect from seattle or its not really a 3 way deal...
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Smithers - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 10:51 PM EST (#209619) #
Agree that this new scenario seems likely.   However I'm still surprised that there hasn't been any talk of secondary players being included in this deal from the Jay's standpoint - such as throwing in an excess reliever like Downs or Accardo.  Overbay back home to Seattle seems like it would make a lot of sense too and this would be an ideal platform to make it happen. 
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greenfrog - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 10:56 PM EST (#209620) #
Gillies could be more than a fourth OF. He's only 21 and just had a banner season in advanced A-ball (916 OPS).

I think Amaro is quite shrewd. He's keeping the one prospect who might have superstar potential. And you could argue that he's selling high on Drabek and Taylor and buying low on Aumont (who has had some injury issues) and Gillies (who is a relative unknown). Remember how JP didn't want to trade Cruz for a young unknown named David Wright?
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Jdog - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 11:05 PM EST (#209621) #
Gillies could be turn out to be a decent starting CF i guess, but most experts expect project him as a 4th OF type. The numbers look good but it was the Cal league. Regardless getting a CY young pitching year for a player you project as a RP(Aumont) and Gillies is a pretty good deal, As you will get the two picks who would probably replace at least one of them.

The funny thing with this deal is there really appears to be no losers. Philly is giving up the most, in Lee and 3 of their top 4 prospects but they get the best pitcher in baseball on a below market deal along with a couple prospects. I think everyone did well.
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ayjackson - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 11:07 PM EST (#209622) #
Philly looks like they could've saved a whole lot of prospects by just trading for Halladay at the deadline.
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TamRa - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 11:09 PM EST (#209623) #
Well, the latest rumour from Stark seems to be:

PHI: Doc, Aumont, Gillies
SEA: Lee
TOR: Taylor, D'Arnaud, + Drabek/Happ (likely Drabek)

This at least sounds plausible. The Jays get a couple of B+/A prospects (Drabek, Taylor) and a B catching prospect. Seattle gets an ace rental for a year in exchange for two good but not top-tier prospects. Philly gets Doc on favourable contractual terms and two B/B+ prospects. They hang on to Brown and prevent their farm system from being decimated.

I think you could make a case for all three teams coming out ahead, with Philly arguably getting the best of the deal--especially if Aumont can stay healthy.

Now if they could go ahead and include Downs to the Phillies to get Armount coming our way...



As for Overbay to the M's - it may be that AA did enough discussion today to lay the groundwork to get back to that once the FA 1B market thins out some.


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TamRa - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 11:12 PM EST (#209624) #
Philly looks like they could've saved a whole lot of prospects by just trading for Halladay at the deadline.

Indeed. Unless the REALLY like Armount, then you have to wonder if they realize they could have dealt Drabek, Taylor, Donald and one of the catchers to the Jays in July and still been 2 or 3 prospects ahead.

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Wildrose - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 11:13 PM EST (#209625) #
Per Elliott;

Once Halladay ext. complete Jays get RHP Kyle Drabek, OF Michael Taylor, C Travis D’Arnaud, Phils get Halladay, Aumont, $6 M, M's: Lee and ?

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Thomas - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 11:13 PM EST (#209626) #
Elliott now has
TOR: Taylor, Drabek, d'Arnaud
PHI: Halladay, Aumont, $6M (Toronto)
SEA: Lee

But, that can't be the trade in its entirety as Seattle would need to pay more than Aumont for Lee.
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Jdog - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 11:19 PM EST (#209627) #
Well maybe the ? on Seattle's return is Vernon Wells :)
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greenfrog - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 11:25 PM EST (#209628) #
If Vernon were involved, the trade would be something like:

PHI: Doc + $6M
SEA: Lee, Taylor + Vernon
TOR: D'Arnaud + new batting cage
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Marc Hulet - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 11:28 PM EST (#209629) #
What a weird trade. Why is it a three-team deal? It sounds like TOR is not benefiting at all from the arrangement... Gut reaction: Drabek is a nice prospect, but he's undersized, coming back from Tommy John surgery, and has some makeup issues. Taylor is OK - projects as a solid regular, not a star. D'Arnaud has been a disappointment and is probably a platoon catcher. I'd have expected at least four players coming to TOR... not getting Domonic Brown hurts.
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greenfrog - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 11:40 PM EST (#209630) #
I agree. It still sounds like a bit of a defensive trade to me (especially considering the tremendous value Philadelphia is getting with the medium-term Doc contract). As in, "well, it's a lot better than winding up with draft picks." I would have preferred Brown--you have to go for the high-upside talent in a deal like this one. But Drabek and Taylor were the 23rd and 24th overall prospects in baseball in BA's midseason ranking (Brown was 17th), which definitely isn't chopped liver. But it looks as though there's no Montero, Westmoreland, Kelly, Brown, Feliz, etc. in this deal.
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ayjackson - Monday, December 14 2009 @ 11:43 PM EST (#209631) #

Well BA has Taylor as a top 25 prospect and his numbers have been better than Lind's were through the minors.  He's a better defender (for now) too.

 

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Thomas - Tuesday, December 15 2009 @ 12:26 AM EST (#209632) #
Griffin's article is up on the Star's website and it's a gem. I assume he had some publication deadline to work to, but he has Toronto acquiring JA Happ and Aumont for Halladay. He speculates that Toronto will get a third player and "would prefer" Michael Taylor to Brown, but suggests Taylor will wind up with the Mariners while Brown is untouchable, but the Jays "covet" him anyway.

So, apparently Seattle gets Michael Taylor and Cliff Lee for Aumont and perhaps one prospect to Toronto. As I said I'm sure he had deadlines, but you should make sure the article passes the smell test first.
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Mylegacy - Tuesday, December 15 2009 @ 12:29 AM EST (#209633) #
Marc, without Seattle in the trade - there is no trade. They need to get rid of Lee - they just can't afford both Roy and Lee. SO - hello Seattle. When AA bought in Seattle he gave the Phillies the payroll certainty - and the prospects for Lee that could allow them to complete the trade.

The reason the Phillies are now giving up Drabek and Taylor is that AA has given them a chance to lock up Roy for five years. Personally - Drabek + Romero, Rzepski, Cecil, Marcum, and maybe McGowan and Litsch + several of the younger kids Jenkins, Henderson and others give the Jays a serious group of starters.

Taylor can EASILY be as good as Lind - might even be better. Taylor, Lind, Hill and Snider give us 4/9ths of a YOUNG(ISH) nine position players. Stay tuned for more moves - and drafts - over the next few months and years.

AA - this could be the start of a beautiful friendship.

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Geoff - Tuesday, December 15 2009 @ 12:36 AM EST (#209634) #
Here is Griffin's article. Can't fathom a reason/scenario why Taylor would be moving to Seattle. But it's Griffin, so ...

And I hope all is forgiven with Philly after breaking their hearts in '93 for a consecutive World Series trophy. Here's Halladay. Enjoy.
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Brent S - Tuesday, December 15 2009 @ 12:44 AM EST (#209635) #
Including Carlos Triunfel seemed too good to be true. Drabek/Taylor/d'Arnaud is still a pretty good haul.

If there are any modifications to the trade, I would imagine that Seattle would be throwing in another piece to even things out, but it may be wishful thinking on my part.
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greenfrog - Tuesday, December 15 2009 @ 12:56 AM EST (#209637) #
Although I would have preferred seeing Brown in the deal, AA seems to have done quite well in all the circumstances. The trade (1) keeps Doc away from the predatory Yankees and Red Sox (thereby making it a lot more enjoyable to be a Jays fan over the next few years); (2) gives the Jays two top-25 prospects; (3) seems to have produced a significantly better return than the Santana and Lee trades; (4) was executed quickly, putting an end to the media turmoil (and the uncertainty for Halladay); and (5) makes the most of a tough situation in which the Jays didn't have a ton of leverage.

Combined with the large number of high draft picks next summer, the ROR (Return on Roy) should help the Jays accelerate the rebuilding process.
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TamRa - Tuesday, December 15 2009 @ 01:15 AM EST (#209640) #
I don't think Seattle has dealt enough for Lee here - i wonder if there isn't still an unreported piece in play (to the Jays - especially in light of the cash we are including)

I can live with the return as reported though, but I'd be a lot more confident if someone could tell me that Taylor (or Snider) can be a competent RF for the next few years.

I'd still like to find out theat there was another player we're not hearing about coming back...


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Mylegacy - Tuesday, December 15 2009 @ 01:21 AM EST (#209641) #
Brown has a higher upside than Taylor. Brown has all 5 tools. However, Taylor is much more likely to reach his ceiling - as he HAS DEVELOPED whereas Brown MAY DEVELOP. Taylor is AT LEAST Lind with the bat and a superior defensive player. There is a reasonable chance that Brown - like Rios - could never reach his ceiling.
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jgadfly - Tuesday, December 15 2009 @ 01:28 AM EST (#209642) #
There should be a player coming back from Seattle ... probably a shortstop prospect.  Wasn't  Amaro quoted as saying that the Phillies didn't have all the pieces that Toronto needed (ie: a starting pitcher , SS , C and OFer) therefore the need to involve the third team ?  I could also see AA trying to sell the M's on taking Overbey's contract so Toronto could send money to the Phillies to offset Halladay's contract.
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92-93 - Tuesday, December 15 2009 @ 02:44 AM EST (#209646) #
Drabek/Taylor/D'Arnaud seems too light to me if the Jays are picking up 6m of Halladay's salary.

I really don't understand why this is being reported as a 3-way trade when its 2 separate, distinct trades. Lee is only making 8m in 2010, and the Phillies tendered Blanton a contract, who made 5.5m last year. Seems like some serious penny pinching by the Phillies, preventing a potentially lethal rotation of Halladay-Lee-Hamels.

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brent - Tuesday, December 15 2009 @ 03:06 AM EST (#209647) #
If the Jays are looking to contend, they need these players that are close to MLB ready. It will take at least 3 years for most draftees to make it to the big club.
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Jim - Tuesday, December 15 2009 @ 07:30 AM EST (#209649) #
Seems like some serious penny pinching by the Phillies, preventing a potentially lethal rotation of Halladay-Lee-Hamels.

15 million dollars is pennies?
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RhyZa - Tuesday, December 15 2009 @ 08:27 AM EST (#209651) #
I guess it's being reported as a 3 way because the Roy trade doesn't happen unless the Lee to Mariners part is a go.  I find it strange that we would only get 3 prospects, I think a 4th should be coming from the Mariners personally but it seems there is no cross exchange between the M's and Jays there.
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brent - Tuesday, December 15 2009 @ 08:32 AM EST (#209652) #
RhyZa, long time no see. I really hope we start to see a lot of people that haven't stopped by in a long time return to comment.
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LouisvilleJayFan - Tuesday, December 15 2009 @ 08:49 AM EST (#209653) #
I like this trade if it indeed is the Drabek/Taylor/D'Arnaud deal. It would've been nice to get another B prospect from the M's but what can you do. I'll definitely take Drabek over Aumont.





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joeblow - Tuesday, December 15 2009 @ 08:52 AM EST (#209654) #
The $6m cash from Toronto to Phil is strange. Hopefully it means some salary dump or that Toronto had to sweeten the pot to get more from Phil than it was willing to give up. But worst case it means that Tor got fleeced somewhere.

I really hope Drabek is in the deal. The risk is high but so is the reward. We don't need sure thing middle-rotation guys.
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Geoff - Tuesday, December 15 2009 @ 09:05 AM EST (#209655) #
If it's true that Happ and Blanton took physicals yesterday, I'd be pretty confident that they could be included in the deal to either Toronto or Seattle.  How happy a coincidence could it be that they would need to take physicals at this time?

If they are in it, this could be quite the huge blockbuster of a trade (bigger than is being reported). Merry Christmas.

On a sad note, if the Red Sox are signing Lackey, does that not mean the Jays lose out to LA for Boston's first rounder as compensation?

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RhyZa - Tuesday, December 15 2009 @ 09:07 AM EST (#209656) #
Thanks Brent, I know what you mean.  I guess one of the few things that gets my juices going again is stuff that is away from the game itself these days (trades, prospects etc). 

Unfortunate as it is, as a Jays fan, but hopefully that begins to change with AA at the helm.  I love the start he has made, and the reports that he has a lot of positive energy.  I have a feeling those working for him and other GM's might  feel like it is a breath of fresh air to work with in comparison to JP and his tactics.

If a 4th prospect is the difference between Aumont and Drabek, then I definitely agree, give me Drabek.  It's going to be interesting to see how the careers of Brown/Taylor work out.  It could sway the deal one way or the other.

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Geoff - Tuesday, December 15 2009 @ 10:06 AM EST (#209661) #
Plenty of juicy details of the Trade over at ESPN. Explanations of why Blanton was taking a physical and how the deal morphed in the last few days.

And Olney, linked from the story, discusses all the possible routes the Phillies might have otherwise taken. Still, no official word on who's moving. But there's still ten days to Christmas; maybe they will drag it all the way out.

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whiterasta80 - Tuesday, December 15 2009 @ 10:08 AM EST (#209662) #

I completely agree with the questions regarding the Phillies Philosophy.  The inclusion of Seattle just doesn't add up.

In my mind, all Philly had to do was Non-tender Blanton, send Happ to the Jays as part of the package and take the Jays 6 million back.  Now they've got 13 of the 15 they'd be adding to the payroll next year.  You can just drop a reliever and run a rookie for the rest of the cash.

You get an absolutely Ludicrous rotation for 1 season, then you let Lee walk  and you've got 2 prospects back as well. 

Even if you're not keeping Lee, you can get a better return for him than what we're hearing (basically Aumont).

That's why there has to be something more to the deal.  The Jays have to be insisting on something that Philly can't provide themselves.  Either we're dumping Overbay on Seattle, or we're getting a SS prospect from them or... I don't know something.  Otherwise Philly should have just dealt with the Jays directly.

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subculture - Tuesday, December 15 2009 @ 10:10 AM EST (#209663) #
Damn the Lackey signing !  (if it just pushed our Scutaro comp to 2nd round).  We're always getting burned by the Yanks and Sox!

The $6M reported would be the difference b/w Halladay (15M) and Lee's salary (9m) for 2010.  I don't have much problem with it, though of course I'd prefer they spent it on signing picks..... I'd pay that much if it meant we get Happ in the deal too.

Drabek / Taylor / Arnaud are a pretty good haul imo... plus we get to hopefully see Roy vs Yanks/Sox in the WS the next few years...

Lackey's era at fenway is 5.75!  Wouldn't be surprised to see them trying to dump his contract next year...

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Donkit R.K. - Tuesday, December 15 2009 @ 10:16 AM EST (#209665) #
I like Drabek and Taylor coming over for Roy - I think Taylor and Brown are a coin flip, and a slong as we get one that's a strong start. I also like Drabek a lot - like someone else said we don't need surefire middle of the rotation guys. D'Arnaud dissapoints me, however. We don't need surefire middle of the rotation guys, but we certainly could use one - I would have liked Blanton or Happ instead or a prospect with higher upside - either a pitcher or an SS. All in all, if Drabek and Taylor are involved I can't be too dissapointed b ut D'Arnaud leaves something to be desired, IMO.
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Denoit - Tuesday, December 15 2009 @ 10:18 AM EST (#209666) #

Damn the Lackey signing !  (if it just pushed our Scutaro comp to 2nd round).  We're always getting burned by the Yanks and Sox!

A Comp and a 2nd is still good value for Scutaro. But it really depends what the scouts do with those picks.

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China fan - Tuesday, December 15 2009 @ 10:22 AM EST (#209667) #

Buster Olney says the Phillies and Halladay have reached agreement on a contract, and Halladay is taking his physical today.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4744730

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Blue in SK - Tuesday, December 15 2009 @ 10:31 AM EST (#209668) #

That's the same prospects Elliott is reporting - "Drabek, Taylor and d'Arnaud are the names we're hearing."

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Columnists/Elliott/2009/12/15/12160126-sun.html

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RhyZa - Tuesday, December 15 2009 @ 10:55 AM EST (#209671) #
To view the perspective from the other side, ussmariner and thegoodphight are good sources.  It's like they are the two extremes and we're somewhere in the middle.  After reading the Phillies fans'  pov (stress on P.O.) however, we should be downright ecstatic how Anthopolous has played this if all goes according to plan. 

The irony is during Philly's attempt to get Roy the first time,  there were so many big names that were being bandied about, and Philly fans were sure that their GM would never give up so much for Roy.  And they were right, they got a pretty good consolation Cliff Lee for relatively little.  Now, when they thought they would have more leverage and even less reason to give up as much, it looks like they're about to.  Ah, life as a fan.

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Mike Green - Tuesday, December 15 2009 @ 11:11 AM EST (#209673) #
The deal is not done yet.  The comments on minorleagueball echo the local fans' view of the current espn account- the Mariners would be making out like bandits, the Jays would have done OK and the Phils would be taking a hit.  I do not necessarily agree with that. 

For fun, I compared Kyle Drabek's minor league record with his dad's.  Aside from the TJ, you might be able to guess that they were related.  Doug Drabek was a valuable pitcher, putting up his best seasons in his pre-free agency years. 

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Wildrose - Tuesday, December 15 2009 @ 11:37 AM EST (#209674) #
Marc Hulet's take on the players involved.
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Thomas - Tuesday, December 15 2009 @ 11:38 AM EST (#209675) #
Griffin has a blog post up about the trade and, to spare everyone else reading it,he says that Toronto, if the reports are true, "got jobbed." He says they got less than the package they were talking about in July of Drabek, Happ and Brown (which is true, but that is why it's what Toronto may have started asking, Philadelphia clearly wasn't going to pay that or else a deal would have been done). He argues that the key to the deal is Aumont and that it's unfair for Philadelphia to just keep him because they are "the middle man." He says that if the Jays got Aumont instead or d'Arnaud and Gillies instead of Taylor this deal would be acceptable, but as it is it is a loser. And, repeat complaints about not getting Aumont.

There. Now nobody else should have to read that article.
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Wildrose - Tuesday, December 15 2009 @ 11:43 AM EST (#209676) #
Here's what Sickel's has to say about Taylor. He seems to like him a smidgen more than Marc does. Personally I like size and smarts (Stanford), the age factor and high BABIP with Taylor seems  to give pause to some people .
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Denoit - Tuesday, December 15 2009 @ 12:01 PM EST (#209681) #
Aumont has a fastball and.... He has already been moved to a releiver position, and even though he may very well be a good releiver I would rather have a good starter. Drabek should be a good bet to be a solid #2 or #3 guy. I like what the Jays got, its much better than 2 Draft picks.
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Rich - Tuesday, December 15 2009 @ 12:03 PM EST (#209682) #
Both from my memory at the time and browsing the Phils' blogs now, it seems that Drabek was a big sticking point in July.  Amaro is getting crucified for allegedly including him now after refusing to do in the summer.  AA has very little leverage; if he gets 2 of the 3 best prospects in a top system like the Phillies' I think he will have done well. 

Aumont is still very young but at this point doesn't look like he has enough secondary stuff to be an effective starter.  I'd rather have Drabek.  If Aumont were from Louisiana instead I doubt the Star's resident grump would be making such a fuss about him.
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Jdog - Tuesday, December 15 2009 @ 12:06 PM EST (#209683) #
Brett Wallace for Michael Taylor...whats next
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Mike Green - Tuesday, December 15 2009 @ 12:20 PM EST (#209688) #
I found Sickels' comment that Taylor was like a cross between Pence and Cameron strange.  I don't see any similarity between Taylor and Cameron.  Cameron is and was a superb defensive CF with good speed, good power, who walks and strikes out quite a bit.  Taylor is apparently a decent to good defensive LF with fair speed, good power, who walks some and strikes out relatively little. 

I tried to find a comp and struggled.  I looked at the following Play Index search- first year at age 24, 50% of games at a corner OF, hit .280 or better, had 300 PAs, and hit between 15 and 30 homers.  To my surprise, there were no results.  There were three such seasons by 25 year olds.  Carlos Lee would be a comp, but he came up and was a Rookie of the Year candidate at age 23.  Rusty Greer had a somewhat similar skill profile, who really made the most of his skills after coming up late.

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Denoit - Tuesday, December 15 2009 @ 12:21 PM EST (#209690) #

Brett Wallace for Michael Taylor...whats next

Thats crazy. I like it though the only question is where will Wallace play?

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BCMike - Tuesday, December 15 2009 @ 12:33 PM EST (#209698) #
I don't still don't get why Seattle is getting Lee for so little and why Philly wouldn't just keep Lee, surely they could find some way to make their payroll work with both Lee and Halladay. It doesn't make sense. Add in the compensation picks for Lee leaving next year and it makes even less sense.

Not sure about Taylor being flipped for Wallace. Wallace's bat looks nice and his numbers indicate that he may be ready soon, but his body type kinda scares me off.



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