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I haven’t seen any papers yet today (it’s 5:30am as I begin to write) but after witnessing Jason Frasor’s performance last night, a pitching outing marred more by bad luck than outright failure, I’ve no doubt that some Toronto writer is going to whine about this Blue Jays squad not having a true closer. The reality is, though, that closers are made, not born, and the few men fortunate enough to have this title for a major league team have all been made from different kinds of material.

It’s absolutely true that the Blue Jays don’t have an elite, obvious closer on their roster right now – a Mariano Rivera or an Eric Gagne who can shorten a game for their teams. How are the Yankees and Dodgers so lucky? They made their closers, of course. Rivera and Gagne are both failed starters who found success in the closer role before they ever got to be expensive “elite closers”. Most guys get thrust into the job, because of a desperate need or some reason other than foresight, and some end up sticking. Every GM probably wishes it were more scientific than that but it’s not immediately obvious who will become a superior closer and who will become Darren Hall.

Curiously, I took a look at the other 29 MLB teams to see how the guys who get the ball at the end of games started out closing in the first place. Good or bad, whether they have the job outright or have it just for this week, I peeked into each closer’s roots and loosely classified them into 4 categories:

1) The Always Been Closing (ABC) Group is just as the title suggests. This is the small group of pitchers who have closed games since they arrived in the majors.
2) The Promoted Middle Reliever Group are those pitchers who didn’t close or start that much in the minors or the majors and suddenly ended up with the job anyway.
3) The Failed Starters Group started games in the minors and the majors and ended up veering into closerdom. Often, all of the veering may have taken the player briefly through middle relief but these guys were mostly starters throughout their career before closing.
4) The Usedtobea Starters Group had success in the starting role but were converted to closer for “enlightened” reasons.

The list:

Anaheim – Francisco Rodriguez: Promoted Middle Reliever
Arizona – Jose Valverde: He’s had to share the job since AA but has pretty much Always Been Closing.
Atlanta – John Smoltz: Maybe the most famous case of Usedtobe Starterism.
Baltimore – Jorge Julio: Always Been Closing
Boston – Keith Foulke: Failed Starter
ChiCubs – Joe Borowski: Promoted Middle Reliever
ChiSox – Billy Koch: Always Been Closing
Cincinnati – Danny Graves: Always Been Closing, more or less
Cleveland – Jose Jimenez: Failed Starter
Colorado – Shawn Chacon: Usedtobea Starter. A 4.60 ERA in Colorado isn’t horrible.
Detroit – Ugueth Urbina: Failed Starter
Florida – Armando Benitez: Always Been Closing (Baltimore likes to hand the job to kids, don’t they?)
Houston – Octavio Dotel: Failed Starter
Kansas City – Jeremy Affeldt: Failed Starter
Los Angeles – Eric Gagne: Failed Starter
Milwaukee – Danny Kolb: Promoted Middle Reliever
Minnesota – Joe Nathan: Failed Starter
Montreal – Chad Cordero: Always Been Closing, except for this year
NY Mets – Braden Looper: Promoted Middle Reliever
NY Yanks – Mariano Rivera: Failed Starter
Oakland – Arthur Rhodes: could be either a Promoted Middle Reliever or a Failed Starter
Philadelphia – Billy Wagner: Always Been Closing
Pittsburgh – Jose Mesa: Failed Starter
San Diego – Trevor Hoffman: Always Been Closing
San Francisco – Matt Herges: Promoted Middle Reliever
St. Louis – Jason Isringhausen: Failed Starter
Seattle – Eddie Guardado: See Arthur Rhodes
Tampa Bay – Danys Baez: Usedtobea Starters
Texas – Francisco Cordero: Always Been Closing, mostly. It’s obvious the Tigers were grooming him.

This isn’t to say that there aren’t usually experienced and elite closers available for the Blue Jays to go out and grab on the offseason free agent market. Nor am I suggesting that all failed starters and promoted middle relievers are going to be good in a closer role – far from it. The point is simply that most closers stumble into the role, as you can see from the above, and out of that experimentation and risk sometimes comes great success. It might not be smart for a contending team to take chances with high pressure situations at the end of a game. But a team like the Jays, with a longer term plan in mind, can afford to gamble cheaply in the years leading up to the successful ones. I don’t blame the Jays for trying to make their closer by going through all of their options. Sometimes you have to throw everything up against the wall and see what sticks.
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_Daryn - Saturday, June 12 2004 @ 09:55 AM EDT (#58396) #
wrt Fraser... what I was hearing on "Jays talk" etc.. is the old, "A closer isn't made until his first blown save, we'll see how he bounces back"...

probably reasonable.. except this was hardly a typically blown save as I don't think he pitched badly... just bad luck.. Even Alex Gonazales is going to get a hit 1 time in 4..

We'll see how it bounces back from a day where he really doesn't have anything... THAT will test the steel...
Pistol - Saturday, June 12 2004 @ 10:04 AM EDT (#58397) #
A summary:

Always Been Closing - 9
Promoted Middle Reliever - 7
Failed Starter - 11
Usedtobea Starter - 3
robertdudek - Saturday, June 12 2004 @ 10:37 AM EDT (#58398) #
Having chatted with Jason on Thursday, I have no doubt that his blown save won't bother him the next time he takes the mound. He made it clear that he really enjoys coming out of the bullpen in the late innings and feels that pitching in relief with the game on the line (he didn't use the word "closing") is something that really suits his personality.

I just wish that Cash had called for the high fastball after two knee-high curves instead of the curve Olson hit for a single.
_Jim - Saturday, June 12 2004 @ 10:42 AM EDT (#58399) #
http://www.sports-wired.com/players/profile.asp?Name=FEG
Mariano Rivera is far from a failed starter. The job he did out of the bullpen in the playoffs in 1995 was brilliant, and that is why he never left. Take a look at his numbers as a minor league starter (COMN). Unless you are basing 'failed starter' on 10 major league starts which really weren't bad enough or enough of a sample size to cry 'failure' in my book.
_Jim - Saturday, June 12 2004 @ 10:46 AM EDT (#58400) #
I agree with you overall, I just have to argue Isringhausen as well. Not a failed starter in my mind, he's someone who's arm couldn't handle starting.

He had 14 great starts at 23, then 27 that still showed some promise at the age of 24 (we'd be falling all over ourselves if he was a TO prospect). Then 6 bad starts when he was clearly hurt and after the injury only ever started 5 more games.
_coliver - Saturday, June 12 2004 @ 11:32 AM EDT (#58401) #
By no means is a closer "a failed starter", rather a good closer may be a pitcher who is "different"--possibly having a funky pitching style or high heat.

A good pitcher who is not as effective the 2nd or 3rd time around the order may become a good closer.

Case in Point: As an assistant high school baseball coach, one of my players is a sidearm pitcher who throws from 3 angles. As a closer, he is quite dominant becase he has excellent movement and because he is quite a contrast to our starting staff. He is also a pretty good starting pitcher, but he ususally tires the third time around the order or they catch up with him. We start him often out of necessity but he is so much better as a closer.
_Spicol - Saturday, June 12 2004 @ 12:15 PM EDT (#58402) #
Not a failed starter in my mind, he's someone who's arm couldn't handle starting.

Doesn't that mean he failed at being a starter? It does to me, but maybe my definition is broader.
_Jonathan - Saturday, June 12 2004 @ 01:22 PM EDT (#58403) #
Your list is great and it doesn't include guys like Tim Worrel and Shigitosi Hasegawa who have shown they can close in the past, yet they don't today. You never know where you are going to find one, AND you don't know if they will remain in that role either. It's gotta be the most frustrating "position" to fill for a team.
_Jurgen - Saturday, June 12 2004 @ 01:47 PM EDT (#58404) #
Billy Wagner's not quite an ABC.

He was a dominant starter in the minors, but moved to the pen immediately after his call up due to concerns about his size. He didn't have a single save as a minor leaguer.

It'll be interesting to see what the Mets do with the similarly electric Scott Kazmir.
_Jurgen - Saturday, June 12 2004 @ 01:53 PM EDT (#58405) #
Whoops. I guess you wrote This is the small group of pitchers who have closed games since they arrived in the majors...

But Billy Wagner's clearly a different case than somebody like Hoffman who has pretty much been a reliever his entire professional career.

It might warrant a fifth category: Minor League Starter/Major League Closer. Surprisingly, Koch fits that description, too.
_Jim - Saturday, June 12 2004 @ 04:40 PM EDT (#58406) #
How is Isringhausen any different then Smoltz? Both are in the bullpen because of arm troubles. Smoltz's problems just came later in his career.
_Spicol - Saturday, June 12 2004 @ 05:24 PM EDT (#58407) #
Jim...in the end, it doesn't really matter what the classifications are and where Smoltz or Isringhausen or Rivera fit in. The point is simply that closers don't usually come from a history of closing. Most were something else before being put in that role. So by trying to create a closer, instead of paying for an established one, JP is doing something that isn't all that out of the ordinary.
_Ryan Day - Saturday, June 12 2004 @ 06:01 PM EDT (#58408) #
To put it another way: In 2001, Eric Gagne and Eddie Guardado combined to save 12 games - all by Guardado. It probably wouldn't have been too difficult to acquire one or even both of them, and certain GMs still probably would have been criticized by certain members of the media for not acquiring a proven closer.

In 2002, of course, they combined to save 97 games. Not bad for a struggling starter and a 30 year-old middle reliever.
_Jim - Saturday, June 12 2004 @ 08:52 PM EDT (#58409) #
Spicol - I know, that's why I said I agree with you overall :). I was just arguing for the sake of arguing.....
Craig B - Saturday, June 12 2004 @ 11:03 PM EDT (#58410) #
It'll be interesting to see what the Mets do with the similarly electric Scott Kazmir.

Kazmir's arm has been very well-sheltered by the Mets since he signed (they've done very well with him). I wouldn't be surprised if he began in the majors on the Earl Weaver program (half a season of long relief, the same way John Santana was broken in) and if he hits the right situation, the temptation to keep him in the bullpen may be very strong.

I will say this... if Scott Kazmir becomes a closer, he will become easily the most highly-rated prospect ever to become a fulltime reliever.
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