A little rapid eye movement to start the day, thanks. You could make a book and document how bad Berg has been this year.

REMember when the Angels were the best team in baseball? Injuries suck, as I think the Jays might find out this coming week. Let's hope not.

I agree Craig, I think Gomez is barely hanging on. More power to him as I think he's compensating with an enormous amount of mental focus. It can't go on though, and the physical tools will prove lacking. Does anyone know when O-Dog and Woodward will be ready? Is it day to day?

Where are all the posters who were calling Chris Woodward "a bag of crap" during the off-season? (Yes, that's an exact quote)

Also, where is Robert Dudek? He'd get the song without any problems. :)

That's what I'm wondering, Mike. My guess is that they're still here, just quiet because he's hurt, and when Woody comes back and has a 2-for-23 week sometime they will jump all over him again.

To be fair Moffat, Woodward(and I am not one of his detrators) is not an elite shortstop but he is better than a back up short stop.

According to Rotowire, Woodward and Justin Speier are both close to going on rehab assignments, as early as this weekend. The news is less good about O-Dog -- there's talk of putting him on the 15-day DL with his hamstring. Like him or not, expect to see a lot of Dave Berg these next several games. FWIW, he's not this bad, so his performance almost certainly will get better.

I think JP said that Woodward would soon be ready to go on a rehab assignment. It sounds like with ODog he's either ready in the next day or two or he goes on the DL.

O-Dog and Wells seemed to be moving fine when they 'shaving creamed' Rios so lets hope he can get back on the filed.

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Where are all the posters who were calling Chris Woodward "a bag of crap" during the off-season? (Yes, that's an exact quote)

My thinking is that they wrote down that quote so that they could say "I told you so" when Woodward began to play poorly this year. When he started strongly, perhaps they decided to destroy the evidence by throwing it in their fireplace.

My son had a game last night so I missed the Jays game and got home at 10:50, anxious to see some highlights on the TV. The hockey game ended at the same time so as I flicked my channels between Sportnet and the Score (Basketball was on TSN) looking for the game story. I did not get to see any Jays highlights on the 'Net or the Score. I finally saw it on Global at around 11:40. I saw the hockey goals about 20 times, I saw the Hockey panel reconvene about four times, I am sure they told me what each player had for breakfast too but I just could not listen. I saw the fights about 15 times. How much is too much? I know hockey is sport number 1 but it was sport one through ninety nine last night, there was nothing else on, baseball did not exist once the hockey game ended. /rant

Gerry, it's like that down Tejas way, too, only a different sport. Fast-forward to August ... "And that concludes our 14-minute look at third-string quarterback Drew Henson's completion percentage in practice leading up to Saturday's pre-season scrimmage with San Diego. In other news, Kenny Rogers threw the second perfect game of his career today against some other major league team, I think from California somewhere. Now, to weather ..."

How much is too much?

I didn't get anything last night except the score. I tried tuning into Sportsnet this morning and after about a zillion hockey interviews yielding the same response, "it's going to be a long series", they finally got to the Jays.
They showed Halladay striking a lot of guys out, the Rios single, the triple by Menechino...and then somehow the game ended with the Jays winning 3-2.
I'm hoping that Calgary wins in 5.

Gerry,

If TBS is showing a Braves game, they do extensive baseball highlights during and after the game. 10:50 would probably have been too late but that's another place to look when you get tired of the endless hockey coverage.

Gerry, I feel your pain. Stanley Cup Finals coverage has reached maximum saturation.

Ever get the feeling that if one of the major highlight shows made the decision to lead with the baseball coverage, that that show just might grab a higher audience share than it currently does, because it could offer something unique? If the Score, RSN and TSN each currently have 33% of the hockey audience, would it not benefit any one of them to give that up in favour of a virtual lock on 100% of the baseball audience?

The weird thing is: Does anyone really want this much hockey coverage? I'm a pretty diehard Flames fan, but even after a great Game 1 I felt there was about 1000% more replays and analysis than necessary. After awhile the marginal benefit you get from another minute of hockey coverage is pretty low. Tell me what's happening in baseball, basketball, tennis, and golf!

If the Score, RSN and TSN each currently have 33% of the hockey audience, would it not benefit any one of them to give that up in favour of a virtual lock on 100% of the baseball audience?

No. Only Americans show baseball before hockey. And American-style ANYTHING is always bad, at least if you're to believe our non-Post media.

Mike,

It's the only thing they know how to do well.

You guys all stole my post -- I got home after the Jays game and wanted to see the highlights. Tuned in at 10:30, gave up at 11:30 and went to bed.

There are weekend Cheer Club plans, especially tonight, when the O-Drum will make a triumphant return to the SkyDome. I'll post a Cheer Club vs. Texas thread some time this morning for all of our Hammer-loving, Hentgen-closing, O-Drumming, Figgins-dissing foolishness.

Where are all the posters who were calling Chris Woodward "a bag of crap" during the off-season? (Yes, that's an exact quote)

I'm right here, where I've always been.
At the headquarters of the local chapter of the 'Woodward Haters' club.

My thinking is that they wrote down that quote so that they could say "I told you so" when Woodward began to play poorly this year. When he started strongly, perhaps they decided to destroy the evidence by throwing it in their fireplace.

Pray tell, what does a 'strong start' constitute in your books?
When did having subpar range, and brick for a glove, a noodle arm, and a mediocre bat qualify as 'stong'?

The guy is a bust, a fraud. Always will be.
Start the Hill/Adams countdown.

It's the only thing they know how to do well.

'Tis true, I'm afraid. I should be very careful what I wish for. If we had more baseball coverage, they'd probably just tell us that Delgado is a bum because he's not clutch like Pat Tabler was. They'd also say that Mike Weir has no chance of winning the next PGA tournament, as only one of the last 9 winners was a lefty. :)

I am trying to resist your comment about how only the Post doesn't think Americans are bad.... but it is very hard.
When has the Globe and Mail bashed them?

The weird thing is: Does anyone really want this much hockey coverage? I'm a pretty diehard Flames fan, but even after a great Game 1 I felt there was about 1000% more replays and analysis than necessary. After awhile the marginal benefit you get from another minute of hockey coverage is pretty low. Tell me what's happening in baseball, basketball, tennis, and golf!

No.

Even the most diehard of hockey fans don't need to see those blowhards at TSN rehash every critical moment of each game. For a whole freaking hour. I don't hate Bob Mckenzie as much as Bobby Clarke, but it's pretty close.

Pray tell, what does a 'strong start' constitute in your books?
When did having subpar range, and brick for a glove, a noodle arm, and a mediocre bat qualify as 'stong'?

I was trying to earn the 10 million points (sidebar: after receiving that many the other day, receiving any less I would consider a slap in the face) in the "Name that Tune" game.
I'm actually pretty indifferent to Woodward.

I am trying to resist your comment about how only the Post doesn't think Americans are bad

That's not what I meant. I meant the Post is the paper that plays an active role in showing the anti-American sentiment of many of our political leaders (in all parties, even the Conservatives).

Gerry, it's like that down Tejas way, too, only a different sport. Fast-forward to August ... "And that concludes our 14-minute look at third-string quarterback Drew Henson's completion percentage in practice leading up to Saturday's pre-season scrimmage with San Diego.

I spent two and a half months in Dallas between mid January and end of March one year. The sports coverage broke down this way:

NFL Football: 50%
NCAA Football: 30%
High School Football: 10%
NCAA basketball, hockey, NBA: the other 10%, covered in that order.

Remember this is in the middle of hockey and basketball season. Texas is an amazing place.

I was trying to earn the 10 million points (sidebar: after receiving that many the other day, receiving any less I would consider a slap in the face) in the "Name that Tune" game.

You were too clever by half, because I missed it entirely. Now I'll have to think of an appropriate award. :)

The song was Fireplace by REM.

This will be my one and only political post on this website.

I PLEAD with you all to vote Big Blue next month.
Tell all your friends.
Don't let these Liberal pigs get at the trough for another 4 years.

I've had enough with taxes - part of me is ready to move to some remote island that still uses the barter system where I can not work all day, and just sit in my hut on the beach and watch MLB games on satellite.

Okay, enough politics. It makes people cranky. I rectract my earlier statement. I was more trying to be funny than political.

I wouldn't call it anti-American. While some isolated members may have anti-American views, I would say many have anti-American policy views, and this by virtue has lead to anti-Bush administration views. However, this is different from anti-American views, imo. That implies something completely different.

Re the extensive hockey coverage...

Last night, it was halfway reasonable that the lead story was hockey, and that no amount of detail and analysis was spared before moving onto other sports. That's just life in Canada.

What gets me, is that it was the same story on Wednesday, when there was no game. The opening story was hockey. Yet another interview with Jarome Iginla was deemed important enough to delay baseball highlights on a night that Rogers' own team won in dramatic fashion.

If you want to discuss politics on a riding, by riding basis, try here.

Funny, I hadn't noticed any of Pete's complaints in Woody this year before the injury. Was I hallucinating, or was Woody actually off to a good start?

Was I hallucinating, or was Woody actually off to a good start?

I'd call 324/382/529 a pretty good start, yeah.

That's not what I meant. I meant the Post is the paper that plays an active role in showing the anti-American sentiment of many of our political leaders (in all parties, even the Conservatives).

Ah, sorry about that.

Also, to anyone that wants to discuss politics here, I don't have a problem. However, you might get a more civil discussion if you don't refer to certain parties as "Pigs at the trough".

Funny, I hadn't noticed any of Pete's complaints in Woody this year before the injury. Was I hallucinating, or was Woody actually off to a good start?


Actually, Woody had a horrible start which got him benched for three games in mid April.

opening day - April 20: 156/283/281

He then proceeded to get red hot. Actually, thermonuclear hot:

April 21 - May 1st: 485/500/788

Overall, his numbers have been great: 324/382/529

During his hot streak before getting hurt, he drew but a single walk. I wonder if he screwed himself up by trying to be too patient...

Ah, sorry about that.

No worries. I phrased it really badly. I re-read my statement and it does look like I'm saying that all the other papers are anti-American. Which they're not. I quite like the Globe.

Also, to anyone that wants to discuss politics here, I don't have a problem.

I'd prefer it if we didn't, but I'm not going to stop anyone unless they're uncivil. I do encourage people to learn about the issues and get out and vote. Unless they plan on voting Liberal, in which case, I think they should stay at home. ;)

Actually, Woody had a horrible start which got him benched for three games in mid April.

opening day - April 20: 156/283/281

He then proceeded to get red hot. Actually, thermonuclear hot:

April 21 - May 1st: 485/500/788

Overall, his numbers have been great: 324/382/529

So he had 9 good days. Oh, bravo.
Wait until he's up around 200-250 AB's, then let's look at where he is. Something tells me it's going to look a lot more like opening day-April 20 than April 21-May 1 when all is said and done.

So that's 13 games of bad and 10 games of good. Yep, that good spell was a total fluke and he sucks! I don't think anyone is saying he's amazing but he's better than Gomez and he's what we've got.

No. Only Americans show baseball before hockey. And American-style ANYTHING is always bad, at least if you're to believe our non-Post media.

I'm pretty sure Japanese, Dominicans, Venezuelans and Cubans do too.

If the media are so anti-American, why do so many people on Canadian TV talk so much about American Idol?

So that's 13 games of bad and 10 games of good. Yep, that good spell was a total fluke and he sucks! I don't think anyone is saying he's amazing but he's better than Gomez and he's what we've got.

Hate to say it, but I too have been pining for Woodward. Compared to Gomez, he's got much better range and a way stronger arm. Hits for more power as well. At this stage of his career, Gomez is really stretched as a starter.

When was the last time the Jays fielded such a weak infield:

Berg, Gomez, Menechino, Delgado

And they ended up winning as well. Baseball is a funny game.

I'd prefer it if we didn't, but I'm not going to stop anyone unless they're uncivil. I do encourage people to learn about the issues and get out and vote.

Well since it's your website I think your opinion carries more weight than mine. :)
I want to agree with you about encouraging people to vote. People that don't vote make me even angrier than people who vote for insert political party leader of your choice here ;)
That guy that the Globe is following around while he decides whether or not to vote sounds like a complete jack***. And it makes alot of young people sound that way.

/end non baseball discussion

"The new kid started his first big-league game last night, allowing the Blue Jays to marshal the best defensive outfield in their history." (John Lott, Post)

I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable making a statement like that before watching Rios play a few games at the Dome. But it's an open invitation to Bauxite Jays Historians to think up their own top defensive outfield combinations. Unfortunately, I'm not the best Jays historian -- I started following the team day-to-day for the first time only in '87. But I'll have a go anyways:

Best Blue Jays 7-8-9
LF: Jose Cruz Jr.
CF: Vernon Wells
RF: Raul Mondesi
(DH: Shannon Stewart; it didn't happen often enough though!)

And while we're at it, let's list the worst outfield trios as well! (I just can't list any OF consisting of VW in this category, so even with Berg/Wilson/Pond at the corners from time-to-time in recent memory, I won't include them):

Worst Blue Jays 7-8-9:
LF: Joe Carter
CF: Otis Nixon
RF: Orlando Merced
(a common OF from 1997, if you can believe it!)

Whattya think?

Well since it's your website I think your opinion carries more weight than mine. :)

It's not my site. I just work here.

P.S. When do we get paid, anyway? :)

P.S. When do we get paid, anyway?

Probably when you complete your duties, namely the giving of points. :)

Steve Z: You are remiss my friend.

Any Jays outfield without Devon White in it is lacking. Wells, White, Barfield would be nice. I can't remember too much about Barfield's fielding but he had a good arm and was generally considered to me the defenisve anchor, though with Bell in left you'd hope so.

Worst defense: Glen Allen Hill, Junior Felix, George Bell.

I refuse to consider Berg and outfielder and have thus disqualified him from consideration.

"The new kid started his first big-league game last night, allowing the Blue Jays to marshal the best defensive outfield in their history." (John Lott, Post)

Know what? I'm not going to quibble with someone who says something so overwhelmingly positive. I'm just happy to see it in print.

Paul D, I've been resisting the urge to post anything political all morning, but I have to agree with you about that Globe series. It made me feel sick to my stomach, which I'm sure was the point.

He's almost like a caricature -- I have to wonder if he's real or if he's like my Cell Phone Man at the Dome example: believable, but exaggerated to make the point.

Steve Z, Bell, Moseby and Barfield were very good 84-86. Barfield was so good defensively that I'd say this was the best Jays OF. It's not really well known, but Barfield in his prime may have been the best defensive RF ever, even better than Clemente and Kaline. I know that it's sacrilege to suggest that anyone could have been better than Clemente, but the statistics say it and I saw both and I'd rather have had Barfield out there. It is close.

Probably when you complete your duties, namely the giving of points. :)

You get thirty million points, and a picture of a cuttlefish:

Barfield is probably my all-time favourite Jay, mainly for his arm. I was devestated when I heard of the Barfield for Leiter trade. I still dislike Mr. Blister to this day.

Wells, White, Barfield would be nice.

Three different eras, unfortunately! ... Who would you put in center though, Alseim?

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You get thirty million points, and a picture of a cuttlefish

Thank you. I'm a points junkie. In university I used to tailor my grocery shopping around the number of air miles I could accumulate.

Anyone interested in learning more about the amazing cuttlefish, COMN.

Jesse Barfield was one fantastic Blue Jay. 1986 was a very disappointing season, but his home run title was a tremendous bright spot. I remember crossing hoping desperately that he would get to 40 home runs, which he did, if my memory serves correctly, in the final series of the season against Baltimore.

That Leiter trade was like a sucker punch to the gut. All those years, Stand Pat wouldn't make a single trade, and then he traded Barfield. My blood still boils just thinking about it.

Cool page.. I'm a cuttlefish junkie. They are truly amazing creatures.

Christopher, reviewing the posts, it seems to me that Michael N gets the 30 million points and Craig B gets the cuttlefish. Moffatt will have to come up with a third prize, or there will undoubtedly be a performance and salary review to follow :)

Who would you put in center though, Alseim?

Devon White is number 1 defensively, all others are number 2 or lower. Wells has to shift to left.

Christopher, reviewing the posts, it seems to me that Michael N gets the 30 million points and Craig B gets the cuttlefish. Moffatt will have to come up with a third prize, or there will undoubtedly be a performance and salary review to follow :)

Wow. I was really asleep at the wheel. I missed *everyone's* references this morning. Sorry guys. I think I need to get more sleep or drink more coffee.

I'm off to Tim Horton's. I won't be back for awhile. :)

Mmmm... cuttlefish.

Mondesi was not a good defensive outfielder. By the time Vernon came up, Mondesi was slow and rarely hsutled after difficult flyballs. He had a great arm but that's about it.

Devo was so good, that one of his outfields had to be the best defensively in Toronto history. I suppose I could dig through the records, but I don't have time now.

Christopher, reviewing the posts, it seems to me that Michael N gets the 30 million points and Craig B gets the cuttlefish.

Wow, I must have been so consumed by my need for points that I missed it too. Moffatt, I'll take my black.
Still, you'll have to pry the points and the cuttlefish from my cold dead hands!

Moffatt, I'll take my black

And it must have been my disbelief of not winning legitimately that caused me to type that.

I'll take mine black.

Three best Jays defensive outfielders at their positions? Here's my take:

RF: Jesse Barfield. Not only is he the greatest defensive outfielder in Jays history, Mike G is correct to suggest he's one of the all-time best. He led all major-league outfielders in Defensive Win Shares in 1985 and 1987, and as Mike also pointed out in a previous thread, Defensive Regression Analysis names Barfield the best RF by far in the 1974-2001 period.

CF: Devon White. BB-Ref has White at 7 Gold Gloves and a RF .70 betetr than league average.

LF: Yeah, probably Cruz. I can't get very excited about left field.

Sheesh - pick an REM song before my time why don't you...fogeys...

I really gets me going when some broadcast mentions great OF arms and they don't mention Barfield. Hell, even the jays broadcast a couple of days ago mentioned Vlad Guererro and Clemente bur Cerutti, who played on the same team as Barfield, couldn't come up with Jesse. The guy had 20 assists a year. In one of Bill James' Abstracts from the eighties, James considered Barfield's arm to be far superior to Clemente's. In fact, James even wrote about whether the Jays OF of the mid-80's (Bell, Moseby, Barfield)was the greatest of all-time (offense and defense). People forget that Bell was a terrific OF when he first came up with very good speed until knee injuries slowed him down.

Sheesh - pick an REM song before my time why don't you...fogeys...

Believe it or not, R.E.M. used to be a good band. Circa Monster they decided they'd rather be bubblegummers.

I'll take mine black.

Wow.. another black coffee drinker. I thought I was the only one.

Wow.. another black coffee drinker. I thought I was the only one.

I've never really thought about it much, but now that I do, I can't think of anybody else I know that takes it black other than my father.

I'm the only person I know who does.. even my parents take theirs "regular". We need to form a club! :)

People forget that Bell was a terrific OF when he first came up with very good speed until knee injuries slowed him down.

I wouldn't say that he was a terrific outfielder, as he didn't really read the ball well enough to get a great jump on a fly ball. But he had a great arm, and he had good range when he first came up. In 1984, when the Jays were platooning Barfield and Collins, they used to shuttle Bell between left field and right, depending on which of the platoon was playing.

He'd be a legitimate candidate for the best Jays defensive left fielder of all time, though, except for perhaps Cruz.

If you're not drinking it black, you're not drinking coffee!

If there's one thing I don't understand, it's taking a perfectly good beverage and diluting it with milk and polluting it with sugar.

And one more:

Worst defense: Glen Allen Hill, Junior Felix, George Bell.

Collectively, the worst defensive outfield the Jays ever put out there was Canseco/Green/Phillips. Green was a good right fielder, but was stretched in centre. Canseco and Phillips were, basically, appalling outfielders by the time they got here. The Jays needed to score zillions of runs a game to make up for the balls conceded in the gaps.

I can't believe that I forgot Canseco played in the field. Sorry Glen Allen but you are now just a foot note with your spider dream injury.

Actually I thought about him and Felix last night, did each of them hit a grand slam in their first at bat? I was hoping to fall completely in love with Rios with a homer in his first appearance but his was still very competent.

If there's one thing I don't understand, it's taking a perfectly good beverage and diluting it with milk and polluting it with sugar.

Amen to that!

P.S. My fiancé and I drink our coffee black too. Obviously we are meant for each other.

I can't believe that I forgot Canseco played in the field.

I can't believe that I forgot he played for the Blue Jays. Gimme fifteen minutes, though, and I'll have forgotten again.

I like good coffee black. Bad coffee requires some sugar and milk to hide the badness.

P.S. My fiancé and I drink our coffee black too. Obviously we are meant for each other.

Time to re-think my relationship.
Actually we started doing our gift registry last night. The best part for me was definitely the coffee maker.

Chrsitopher,

It's the little things that add up. Forget about goals etc. What's really important is "Do you like pineapple on pizza?".

Christopher,

It's the little things that add up. Forget about goals etc. What's really important is "Do you like pineapple on pizza?".

What's really important is "Do you like pineapple on pizza?".

We both like that.
And 24.

I think we'll be ok. :)

Time to re-think my relationship.

Heh. At least she likes coffee. My ex didn't, which caused some difficulties.

My current girlfriend puts 2% milk in her coffee but no sugar. I think that's the most pointless thing in the world (why not just drink it black?) but she's hesitant to change.

P.S. Fruit should not be on pizza.

P.S. Fruit should not be on pizza.

You vote conservative and thus your judgements are suspect.

You vote conservative and thus your judgements are suspect.

I've never voted Conservative. I'm just a member of the party. ;)

My wife doesn't drink coffee. But she loves the smell of coffee.

She does drink tea, as I do. I need to drink more tea.

"Think about coffee. In the beginning, there were a bunch of Indians in central America, who sat around drinking a lot of coffee. Well, you know what happened to them, of course. The Spanish conquistadors burned their cities and today if you want to know anything about these people, you have to go to a museum. And, it's because they drank coffee.

Now, you have to realize that at this time, the Spanish had ruled the seas for many years, but the conquistadors brought back this coffee bean from the new world, and it made them weak. A small, piddling band of tea-drinking Englishmen wiped out their entire coffee-soaked armada and set the stage for English naval domination into the beginning of our century.

But, it's not just England we're talking about. All of the great cultures drank tea.... the Moguls who ruled over a unified India (and much of the east) for many centuries? They drank tea. How about the Chinese, who practically invented the concept of culture? You think they'd be caught dead drinking coffee? No way. They drink tea.

When the Revolution comes, you will take tea. Either you will drink it willingly or you will receive it intravenously. Take it from historical precident: if you don't want to be up against the wall when it comes, you will drink tea."

--Scott Dorsey

The coffee/tea debate is old and tired. I'm sticking to my mate, just like my gaucho brothers on the Pampas.

If there's one thing I don't understand, it's taking a perfectly good beverage and diluting it with milk and polluting it with sugar.

Maybe I can help you understand; I choose cream to dilute my coffee, and I do it for the sake of my stomach.

And I'm with Aaron on hiding the badness of bad coffee with sugar.

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P.S. Fruit should not be on pizza.

Do you extend that ruling to include the tomato?
Incidentally, the tomato is biologically a fruit, but the US Supreme Court in 1887 ruled that it be referred to as a vegetable. COMN

Do you extend that ruling to include the tomato?

I've always just assumed tomatoes were vegetables. I wouldn't call tomato juice "fruit juice" for instance. Then again, I've never been any good at classifying fruits vs. vegetables.

Incidentally, the tomato is biologically a fruit, but the US Supreme Court in 1887 ruled that it be referred to as a vegetable. COMN

Geez, Christopher, if I wanted to learn things I wouldn't have dropped out of high school.

I've never been any good at classifying fruits vs. vegetables.

Has it come up often?

I've never been any good at classifying fruits vs. vegetables.


If you’re stocking the produce department at a grocery store, a tomato is a vegetable. If you’re a a botanist a tomato is a fruit. Cucumbers, pumpkins, avocados, and peppers are all fruits. Culturally, however, the grocer is going to call them vegetables.
A fruit is the ripe ovary or ovaries of a flower—the mature ovary of a seed-bearing plant. Let’s say you’ve got a tomato plant with those little yellow flowers all ready. A bee comes along and fertilizes the flower. The flower starts developing into a fruit with the seed inside. (There are four kinds of fruits, which explains fruits such as pineapple and blueberries, but let's not get into that.) And, hey, guess what? Nuts are fruits. True nuts that is, chestnut and filberts come to mind.
Vegetables, however, are the roots (eg, carrot), tubers (eg, potato), leaves (eg spinach), stems (eg, celery), and other bits of plants that you might eat. For a botanist, a vegetable is sort of like the umbrella word for all the edible parts of a plant. Just to keep life interesting, mushrooms aren’t plants at all, they are a kind of fungus.

Milk or cream is not added to coffee or tea for dilution purposes. It neutralizes (as does lemon in tea) one of the noxious chemicals in the coffee or tea.

Now back to your regularly scheduled baseball thread.

Anyone have information on what qualifies a player to become a super 2? What would Rios have to achieve to get this status?
thanks.

Hudson to the 15-day DL retroactive to Sunday.
Howie Clark has been recalled from Syracuse.

Raul Mondesi. Just in case you had any doubts about how much of a wank he is.

On the otherhand, I would like to see an OF of Guillen, Mondesi, and Guerrero. That's the greatest collection of OF cannons ever assembled.

Lets all say a prayer for Mike Sciosia.

What's the over/under on how many innings go by before Guillen and Mondesi a) Get into a shouting match in LCF or b) team up and take away little Eckstein's hat?

Pop quiz:

Who leads the Jays in Fielding-Independent Pitching?

Don't cheat by going to thehardballtimes.com for the answer until you've guessed.

My guess would be Lilly

I'll guess Frasor

Well, since the fielding is to blame for all of Adams' failures, it must be him ;)

Wow, I would not have guessed that...

Nobody's got it yet. Clue: his FIP is 2.57 this year, and for his brief career, it's 4.13.

A-Lo?

Nope. Good guesses all.

I shall guess Towers, for no reason.

Nobody's got it yet. Clue: his FIP is 2.57 this year, and for his brief career, it's 4.13

The guy you're talking about is second - the leader is at 2.45

Close, but no cigar. Seeing as we've about exhausted all the brief careers, save for Mike Nakamura, the answer is Jason Kershner. He gets lefties and righties out reasonably well, and performs even better if you give him a day off between outings. If you restrict him to 1-2 innings every 2nd or 3rd day, he'll be quite good. Actually, he makes a nice companion pitcher to Terry Adams, who'll do the same thing for ya.

Ligtenberg - 2.45. Or am I missing something painfully obvious?

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Having visited THT, and being entirely unable to find the relevant information, I am still going to guess Hentgen.

You're right, Fawaz; I'd better get one of Moffatt's coffees before I try to do the minor league. And it surprised me too who it was.
Forget the clue, everyone.

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And I would be completely wrong, it seems.