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First in a 10-part series.

To suggest that denizens of The Batter's Box are -- oh, to choose a word at random -- "obsessed" with the work of Toronto Star columnist Richard Griffin might be a bit of an overstatement. Might be.

Of the first 950 threads posted in the short but active history of Da Box, the name "Griffin" appears in 269 of them, a healthy 28 percent. Oh sure, if we go back and check, some of those search results might refer to John-Ford Griffin, or maybe even Alfredo Griffin, but consider this for a moment ...

In those same 950 threads, a certain highly-regarded "new wave" GM is mentioned in 267. That's right -- at first glance, Griffin's OBP ("On Box Percentage") is higher than the venerable J.P. Ricciardi's.

So, there seems to be a fair amount of interest among Boxers -- Zombie-Like Cult (a moniker adopted from a Griffin turn of phrase) and otherwise -- in this Griffin character. To be honest, he's taken more than his fair share of heat in this space, although that comes with the territory of being a newspaper columnist.

Still, maybe it's time to get to know more about him than his OBP.



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Out into the cool of the evening
Strolls the Pretender
He knows that all his hopes and dreams
Begin and end there

-- "The Pretender" by Jackson Browne


Like anyone who's spent thousands of hours at ballparks listening to "Rock and Roll Part I" and "We Will Rock You" over and over, Rich Griffin knows exactly what theme music would blare from the stadium speakers as he stepped to the plate -- "The Pretender" by Jackson Browne.

And the veteran award-winning PR maven-turned-sportswriter can envision what kind of player he'd be, too -- the type who would "lead the league in runs scored and steals, as a slick fielding shortstop," he says. In Toronto terms, then, a bit of a Tony Fernandez type.

But the Pretender-like "hopes and dreams" of the 49-year-old Griffin didn't begin in Toronto, or even in Canada -- in fact, as a child, the Kingston, Jamaica native had to struggle to find access to the sport that would become his livelihood.

"Baseball was not a sport in Jamaica [when I was] growing up," recalls Griffin. "I became a baseball fan on the north shore of Jamaica in the early 1960's by listening to the World Series on radio."

Radio was the only option. "There was no TV in Jamaica until 1964," says Griffin. So he used his imagination -- presumably a future writer's strength -- to picture the Fall Classics of the era. "Since the Yankees were in the World Series most years," he says, "I became a Mickey Mantle fan, imagining what he looked like."

The radio was a constant source of education and entertainment to the Jamaican youth. "In the same radio-as-my-only-entertainment way," he remembers, "my favourite astronaut was John Glenn and my favourite dog was the one the Russians shot up on Sputnik."

The encapsuled canine Laika hurtled into space from the old USSR in 1957, a full seven years before television came to Jamaica, where Griffin's parents worked for Captain Morgan Rum for 16 years. And since there was no TV in Jamaica until '64, maybe the future media professional is fortunate that his family hightailed it towards Canada a year before that.

Mesmerized by Mantle ... and Les Expos
"We moved to Montreal in 1963," says Griffin. "During the summers, my family used to alternate between Winnipeg and Scarborough visiting relatives. When we came to [Toronto]. I actually got to watch Mantle on the 'Game of the Week.' I was mesmerized. That was my intro to baseball."

On the cusp of three decades later, Griffin reached the pinnacle of success and recognition in his profession, when in 1992 -- the year the Jays first won a World Series -- he received the Robert O. Fishel Award for Public Relations excellence for his work with the Expos. The Blue Jays' Howard Starkman won the award in 1996, just after Griffin had joined the Star.

The trophy is on permanent display in a little museum in upstate New York -- a long way from listening to Mantle rack up his record 18 World Series home runs on the radio in Jamaica.

Of course, it was a bit of a winding path from Kingston to Cooperstown.

Although his family beat the Expos to Montreal by more than half a decade, the litany of the young Rich's baseball heroes is tinged with le rouge, le blanc et le bleu -- and of course, Le Grande Orange -- of Les Expos.

"Rusty Staub. Ken Singleton. Andre Dawson. Larry Walker," recites Griffin, who finally departs the outfield -- and eventually, the Expos -- to add Tim Wallach, Bobby Murcer and Cal Ripken, Jr. to his personal pantheon of heroes.

Oh, and for good measure -- perhaps foreshadowing a future PR guy's nose for the quirky and quotable -- pitchers Oil Can Boyd and Pascual Perez also make Griffin's list of personal favorites.

The Road to Cooperstown
So, how does a Jamaican youth get his name permanently etched into display in the Baseball Hall of Fame?

Obviously, he goes to college to play basketball and major in accounting.

That's exactly the path Griffin took after graduating from Loyola High School in Montreal, heading to Concordia on a partial academic scholarship. Though his college hoops career ended at the junior varsity level, his career in sports was just getting started. In fact, he remembers the exact date.

"I started working for the Expos on April 8, 1973 and advanced to director of publicity in just five years, taking over in 1978," recalls Griffin.

In the quarter-century that ensued, he has put together the kind of professional resume that, short of actually playing the game, most baseball fans actually dream about.

In addition to the aforementioned award-winning PR work for the Expos, Griffin broadcast games on radio from 1985-1994 when Dave Van Horne did TV work. He hosted a radio post-game show in the ill-fated 1994 season when the Expos sported the game's best record but were thwarted by cancellation of the postseason. He worked for the commissioner's office as a PR volunteer at the World Series for more than 15 years. And of course, now there's his work with the Star.

Canadian Comfort
All that, and still, when Griffin -- who with his wife Debbie is parent to four children -- thinks about the cities where he's most comfortable, his transplanted Canadian roots show. "Toronto and Montreal are the most comfortable places for me to be," he says, while still admitting a fondness for "road cities" San Francisco, Chicago, Baltimore, Denver and New York.

It's not just the cities that stand out for this veteran observer of the Great Game; he also easily identifies the players he most enjoys watching, the ones he would "pay to see."

For the most part, they're the ones even the most casual fans know by a single name or a nickname: A-Rod. Unit. Junior. Sammy. Barry. Ichiro. Nomar. Griffin's history with the Expos prompts him to add Vladimir Guerrero and Larry Walker -- the latter also part of the earlier "personal favorites" litany -- and to the chagrin of Jays fans, one Shawn Green.

Perhaps flashing back for a moment to the radio signals carrying the heroics of Mickey Mantle to the Jamaican shores of his youth, Griffin adds one final item to the list. "And the Yankees," he says.

Next: Da Box Welcomes ... Geoff Baker
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_Greg Jenkins - Monday, September 08 2003 @ 05:58 PM EDT (#33149) #
At what point in his journey did he actually lose his mind?
Leigh - Monday, September 08 2003 @ 06:21 PM EDT (#33150) #
Let's be civil, Greg. If you want to rip somebody for not being "in the know", try Joe Morgan. Seriously, Morgan is clueless. Griffin has [at least] a superficial knowledge of that which he opposes. Check out this "gem" from Morgan:

I give more weight to wins than to ERA or any other pitching statistic. ERA is like a batting average -- it's more of an individual thing. Pitchers get paid to win games, not to have a sub-3.00 ERA.

Wow
_Jordan - Monday, September 08 2003 @ 06:36 PM EDT (#33151) #
Mick, this is a very good piece, a nice profile and a good opening to the series. Griffin has certainly had a more interesting journey to his present position than I would have imagined -- how many sportswriters (not in their 90s) experienced baseball on the radio for years before ever seeing it on TV? That's got to give you a very different sense of the rhythms of the game. It would be interesting, now that I'm thinking of it, to compare popular writing about baseball before and after the advent of TV -- I imagine that the former was far more lyrical and reflective, not to mention creative, than the latter, when the image you saw on the tube left nothing for your imagination to do.

Looking forward to reading about Geoff Baker tomorrow. These articles have the excellent benefit of reminding us that the writers whose words so often draw our anger and scorn are people too, with families and lives beyond the narrow gateway of sportswriting. It'd be good for all of us (yours truly front and centre in that group) to remember that the next time we feel tempted to turn a criticism of a column into a personal attack. To the extent I've done that, I'm remorseful.
Gitz - Monday, September 08 2003 @ 06:40 PM EDT (#33152) #
Mick,

Teriffic wor(ds)k. I think this small excerpt shows -- and the rest of the interview will do it even more -- that, while we may question Griffin's analysis from time-to-time, we can't blithely say he hates the game or his job (at least any more than the rest of us (you) working class Joes and Janes hate our (your) jobs); one does not compile the resume Griffin has by choosing to write about a sport he does not like. Let's bear that in mind when we criticize his future work, which we will surely do, because, as Mick astutely points out, that goes with the territory of being a newspaper columnist.
_Nigel - Monday, September 08 2003 @ 06:47 PM EDT (#33153) #
A very well put together piece. I wonder what led him to the interest in baseball over cricket. Its a pretty interesting background for a baseball columnist.
Gitz - Monday, September 08 2003 @ 06:48 PM EDT (#33154) #
Jordan,

I doubt many of the newer writers -- at least ESPN.com's cabal, such as Neyer, Stark, and maybe even Gammons -- have the kind of depth Griffin does in their experience. Comparing baseball writing pre- and- post-TV would indeed make for an interesting discussion, not only in baseball but also in other entertainment venues -- and certainly it would be fascinating to do a study of news trends. Of course being a communications major (sucker!), I have done my share of content analysis of the Mind Numbing Box From Hell, but I've not given much thought to baseball angle of it as opposed to print and radio.

I don't know how many Bauxites have ever had the pleasure of listening to Vin Scully do a radio broadcast; if you haven't, I suggest you do it, because it is a sublime event. Scully is inimitable as far as announcers go, especially when it comes to a radio broadcast, which still holds romance for this somewhat curmudgeonly fan.
_Mick - Monday, September 08 2003 @ 06:51 PM EDT (#33155) #
I am loathe to remove comments posted by others. It harms the integrity of the nature of blogging, which is unedited, unmoderated discussion in response to topics of shared interest. In this case, though I am going to break that self-imposed rule and I want to explain why.

Off-topic posts to various threads -- these are known as "hijacks" in the world of blogging -- are fine. On-topic attacks -- those criticisms that remain on the primary path of the discussion, as vehement and at times colourful as they may be -- are fine, too.

Off-topic attacks -- on a person rather than a thread -- are not appropriate, to any forum, moderated or otherwise, including this one.

That said, I would not have removed the couple of comments I did, inappropriate language or not, without getting confirmation from at least one of the "ZLC" other than myself that it was the right thing to do.

I hope it's at least worth pointing out that one of the reasons Griffin and Baker agreed to this series of articles is because they read Batter's Box. Please don't give them reason to think that we are deserving of the epithets that have been tossed at them so many times.

And I might as well remind you all of Coach's unofficial rule about posting using aliases ... please at least have the courtesy to identify yourself.

There's an awful lot of great stuff from Baker and Griffin coming later this week and into next ... let's not torch it by walkig the bases loaded and giving up a slam in the bottom of the first.
_Jordan - Monday, September 08 2003 @ 06:58 PM EDT (#33156) #
What I don't understand about Morgan is how he comes out with these loopy comments. I've read his autobiography and listened to him on SNB, and he really is very smart about the game, particularly in analyzing events on the field of play. He also has a decent idea about some of the strategic elements of building a team -- he believes closers are way overrated, for instance. He's a bright guy. But whenever he makes one of these bizarre assertions, he loses all sorts of credibility.

It could be that as a hitter, he never really "got" pitchers, a flaw that continues to this day. The statement about wins being more important than ERA reflects an attitude that sees pitchers as necessary evils, people to analyze and destroy when they pitch for the opposition and people to tolerate when they pitch for your own side. Wins, as any idiot can tell you, depend on run support (and bullpen backup) -- but for hitters like Morgan, that's all pitchers are good for, anyway: giving the hitters a chance to win the ballgame. Pitchers are adjuncts to hitters, who are the real reason teams win ballgames. That may be hooey -- I think it is -- but it may also explain these weird pronouncements. Morgan's not stupid; he's just snobbish.
Pepper Moffatt - Monday, September 08 2003 @ 07:04 PM EDT (#33157) #
http://economics.about.com
I've got to agree 100% with Mick and Gitz on this one (Who would have guessed?).

I've been as scathing as anyone when it comes to these two writers, but it was a really classy move on their part to take part in these interviews. I think most of us, if put into Griffin's position, would have told the Box to go perform an unnatural act.

I think we do need to remember that these columns are written by people who are trying their best and are just living each day like the rest of us. They're not (to the best of my knowledge) abusing children or torturing animals, so I don't think there's any need to characterize any writer as "evil".

That being said, they probably just laugh off most of the hate mail they get. I know I do; I must have laughed for an hour when someone sent me this RE one of my articles:

"You are a******s for publishing this irresponsbile article by this obviously vulgar capitalist.

shame on you!"

I'm sure Griffin and Baker do the same when they read some of the stuff directed at them. Plus they must get 1000 times more of it than I do.

Mike
Leigh - Monday, September 08 2003 @ 07:05 PM EDT (#33158) #
Agreed on Morgan. More arrogance than stupidity.

Mick, excellent work keeping the nogoodnicks in line.

This should be a great series; I look forward to the rest of it.
_Nigel - Monday, September 08 2003 @ 07:06 PM EDT (#33159) #
Mick, I think you made the right call. These guys did not have to agree to do this. I think it shows a lot of respect and good faith on their part to do this when they clearly know that some of their ideas do not have a receptive audience here. I think we should show them the same respect and good faith.
Mike D - Monday, September 08 2003 @ 07:13 PM EDT (#33160) #
To suggest that denizens of The Batter's Box are -- oh, to choose a word at random -- "obsessed" with the work of Toronto Star columnist Richard Griffin might be a bit of an overstatement. Might be.

Note that while "denizens" of the Box might be obsessed, "Denyszyns" of the Box are usually not.
Gitz - Monday, September 08 2003 @ 07:17 PM EDT (#33161) #
Mike,

I get tons of e-mail regarding my A's column, and let me say this: I do not laugh all the criticism off. (Baker and Griffin have something to say about this, too, and I will not steal their pulpit.) Most of it, sure, but last year I was repeatedly berated for saying Trot Nixon was better than Jeremy Giambi, and it really did start to bother me after the first, say, 15 e-mails comparing their numbers through the time Little G. was dumped by the A's. No doubt this affected my "objective" anaylsis of Jeremy throughout last year, because by the 10th e-mail, I wanted Jeremy to fail, in a vain attempt to prove I was right and that this heckler was wrong. It was no longer about me trying to explain, intelligently and thoughtfully, why I thought Little G. was overrated and bound for failure; no, I not only wanted him to fail, I rooted for him to fail. It makes no difference that, so far, I have been right about Jeremy Giambi; being frustrated and bitter is a terrific way to craft fiction or poetry, but it's a lousy way to write about baseball, and I'm mad as hell for falling victim to exactly what my heckler wanted.
Pistol - Monday, September 08 2003 @ 07:38 PM EDT (#33162) #
That said, I would not have removed the couple of comments I did, inappropriate language or not, without getting confirmation from at least one of the "ZLC" other than myself that it was the right thing to do.

I think a ban of the IP would be appropriate, as well as removing the posts.

I'm still on hold for changing my opinion of Griffin's writing and analysis, although perhaps this series will change that.

Nice job on the piece Mick. Very well written.
_Greg - Monday, September 08 2003 @ 08:28 PM EDT (#33163) #
San Francisco, Chicago, Baltimore, Denver and New York

Pick the city that doesn't belong. Even those of us who like Baltimore don't like it that much. He must mean he likes Camden Yards.
Coach - Monday, September 08 2003 @ 08:46 PM EDT (#33164) #
Off-topic attacks -- on a person rather than a thread -- are not appropriate, to any forum, moderated or otherwise, including this one.

Well said. There have been some heated debates in Da Box, but it's always been civilized. Anyone who can't (or won't) play by the rules of common decency isn't welcome here.

I'm still on hold for changing my opinion of Griffin's writing and analysis, although perhaps this series will change that.

Pistol, as much as I appreciate and admire Griffin's willingness to talk to us, I don't expect my opinion to change much. I enjoy his work most of the time, but when I infer an anti-Jays agenda, supported by selected "facts" that conveniently overlook the truth as I see it, I'll complain. What this series has already changed for me ties in with what I just said about appropriate behaviour. In the future, my criticism will be more respectful than it has been.

All of the above applies to Baker and the rest of the media, too. I'll also try to be more tolerant of incompetent, arrogant umpires, managers who use three lefty relievers in an inning, and the Commissioner, who doesn't really own two teams, it just looks that way.

the Mind Numbing Box From Hell

That Gitz, always trying to hang a new nickname on us.
_Cristian - Monday, September 08 2003 @ 09:16 PM EDT (#33165) #
I read this blog much too often and yet I always seem to miss the juicy posts that get deleted. All I ever hear is the subsequent discussion on whether and how the deleted post crossed the line. Of course the subsequent discussion makes sure not to repeat what was stated so I'm left out of the loop. Arrrggghhhh.
Pepper Moffatt - Monday, September 08 2003 @ 09:21 PM EDT (#33166) #
http://economics.about.com
I'll also try to be more tolerant of incompetent, arrogant umpires

But Coach, I thought we were already friends! :)

RE: Gitz's A's column

I can see how mails like that would get to you... I'm sure they'd get to me too. I guess I'm lucky that people don't get as passionate about my topic. I've been writing a lot of articles focused towards 1st and 2nd year undergrads and less articles dealing with economic policy. So that's cut down the hate mail a great deal. I don't think I'd enjoy dealing with the Inbox after writing a piece for ESPN.

Cheers,

Mike
_Jurgen - Monday, September 08 2003 @ 09:51 PM EDT (#33167) #
Pitchers get paid to win games, not to have a sub-3.00 ERA.

Yeah, that's the kind of nonesense that makes Dusty Baker regularly keep Wood and Prior throwing 125 pitches+.

Let's make it simple: it's not about giving your pitchers the chance to win. It's about getting the team the best chance to win. And starters with sub-3.00 ERAs usually have a better shot at helping to do that.
Craig B - Monday, September 08 2003 @ 10:33 PM EDT (#33168) #
But Coach, I thought we were already friends! :)

Wrong, wrong, wrong, Mike. The *first* time you hear the word "incompetent", you push up your mask and start walking towards him. When "arrogant" comes out, you give him the heave. You *gotta* start thinking more like an umpire!

"Williams, you're outta this thread!"

Even those of us who like Baltimore don't like it that much. He must mean he likes Camden Yards.

Maybe he really likes crab cakes.

(If I say "maybe he really likes old, toothless streetwalkers", am I going to get banninated from my own website? :) Baltimore is gross.)

being frustrated and bitter is a terrific way to craft fiction or poetry, but it's a lousy way to write about baseball

Have you ever tried to read fiction or poetry by a frustrated, bitter person? They end up sounding like Dostoyevsky in Notes From The Underground. Great for pleasing frustrated, bitter academics, not so good for pleasing readers. Suffering may be noble, but it's hardly virtuous. I'll take expressions of hope and joy any time, in baseball or anything else.
_rodent - Monday, September 08 2003 @ 10:44 PM EDT (#33169) #
Many aspects of Camden Yards are satisfying...the Eutaw Street stroll to Tom Matti's Ribs and Boog's BBQ...the double-decker bullpen. But I'll bet Griff has never had to sit down the line in fair territory and find his vision lined up with centre field...stiff neck city.

Outstanding job of editing and framing, Mick D.
Gerry - Monday, September 08 2003 @ 10:50 PM EDT (#33170) #
I guess I'm lucky that people don't get as passionate about my topic.

Hey Mike:

Economics sucks. I learned very quickly in college that repeating the opinion of the prof got me good marks, while digressing down an alternate path of Gerry economics (less well known than Keynesian economics) got me a 50, if I was lucky. Lesson learned but it soured me on economics. Too much grey!

Take that!
_Ryan - Monday, September 08 2003 @ 11:24 PM EDT (#33171) #
An economics course I took early on in university taught me this extremely valuable concept: the Bell Curve. It doesn't matter if you don't know anything or do really badly, just as long as all of your classmates are even dumber than you are.

I later took an interest in economics and wound up minoring in the subject. Amazingly, I can now say I \like\ economics. It's hard to believe...
_A - Monday, September 08 2003 @ 11:49 PM EDT (#33172) #
I'll also try to be more tolerant of incompetent, arrogant umpires

Just as an analyst, right? You aren't gonna take away a whole team's joy, are you? Not everyone can get as far under an umpire's skin *without* getting tossed. And when you do, it's memorable. Though I think the last time I saw you tossed was when Purchase was the staff co-ordinator. Doesn't mean it shouldn't have happened since ;-)
_Brent - Monday, September 08 2003 @ 11:52 PM EDT (#33173) #
Uh oh Gerry, you might have unleashed the blinding fury of one Mike Moffatt.
Pepper Moffatt - Tuesday, September 09 2003 @ 12:04 AM EDT (#33174) #
http://economics.about.com
Economics sucks. I learned very quickly in college that repeating the opinion of the prof got me good marks, while digressing down an alternate path of Gerry economics (less well known than Keynesian economics) got me a 50, if I was lucky. Lesson learned but it soured me on economics. Too much grey!

Take that!


You'll get no argument from me on that issue.

I hate how economics is taught in most undergraduate classes, particularly freshman ones. Most profs seem to want to tell you what to think, instead of teaching you how to think about economic issues. In most of the social sciences, "Listen To Prof, Repeat Prof, Get A" is generally a winning strategy. I personally find that really sad.

I prefer what I call a "Tools" based approach. In each class I'd introduce a new concept or a new tool. So at the beginning of the class, I'd introduce a concept, such as elasticity. I'd use actual data for certain goods, to show that some goods are price inelastic (cigarettes) and some goods are price elastic (Mars Bars). I'd get the students to give a few examples of each, which often lead to debate. Then I'd show how a sales tax on an inelastic good is great for increasing revenue, whereas a tax on an elastic good is better for altering consumer behaviour. Finally we'd discuss what effects excise taxes on cigarettes have and if we could improve on the current system. Lots of debate, with me there to referee and show the students how they could use common economic tools to convey the points they were trying to make. The key was that I wasn't going up there going, "Cigarette taxes in their current form are bad because they're regressive, Mmmkay. Copy these graphs down and commit them to memory, as I'll ask you to copy them verbatim on the test". I only taught freshman macro for one term, so I think I learned more than the students did and I know I'd do quite a few things differently than I did the first time. Given the feedback I got from the students and from the Dean, though, it sounds like they got a lot out of the course. We also got along really well, which I imagine is the only thing the students will probably remember from the course when they graduate.

Economics is interesting. It's about people, and behavior, and understanding the choices that people make. Unfortunately academic economists are the most uninteresting group of people you'll ever meet and it shows in how they present the material in their classes and in their papers.

Mike

P.S. This is probably the shortest possible message I could leave as I'm in the office. It's something I care deeply about. Don't ask me about it after I've had a few beers.. I'll never shut up :)
Pepper Moffatt - Tuesday, September 09 2003 @ 12:13 AM EDT (#33175) #
http://economics.about.com
Uh oh Gerry, you might have unleashed the blinding fury of one Mike Moffatt.

LOL. My "blinding fury" is about as threatening as a tired three year old throwing a hissy fit in Walmart.

Besides, I agree with Gerry.

Mike
_A - Tuesday, September 09 2003 @ 12:26 AM EDT (#33176) #
Currently I'm taking a first-year Economics course that is structured very well (in my mind). The course is not simply theory, it's application of the theory into public policy (which is my field of study). Too many times math is taught with too much weight placed on formulas and not enough on practical application so this approach makes it far easier to learn, at least for someone who hates nothing more than math.

Mike, I was very surprised at the sense of humour my prof posesses. It's almost derranged but not in the dry/non-existant manner I was expecting from an economist. ;-)
Pepper Moffatt - Tuesday, September 09 2003 @ 12:28 AM EDT (#33177) #
http://economics.about.com
Mike, I was very surprised at the sense of humour my prof posesses. It's almost derranged but not in the dry/non-existant manner I was expecting from an economist. ;-)

I'm 90% sure I know who you're talking about. Who is your prof?

Mike
Gitz - Tuesday, September 09 2003 @ 12:33 AM EDT (#33178) #
Oh, Burley, you're always keeping me in line. :)

I should have qualified my statement: being frustrated and bitter may be a terrific way to craft fiction or poetry; as you say, it doesn't always work that way, and Notes from the Underground is indeed a struggle. Angst, in various permutations, is nonetheless a fertile ground for art.
_A - Tuesday, September 09 2003 @ 12:42 AM EDT (#33179) #
The prof's name is George Archer. Graduated from McGill.
Pepper Moffatt - Tuesday, September 09 2003 @ 12:54 AM EDT (#33180) #
http://economics.about.com
The prof's name is George Archer. Graduated from McGill.

Not the guy I was thinking of. I thought you were talking about Russell Davidson at McGill (you mentioned you were living in Montreal) who does teach quite a few freshman courses. He has the sense of humor you described. When I was doing my MA at Queen's, he'd have the "Econometrics Discussion Hour" in a bar at 10:00pm on Wednesday night. The only rule of the "Econometrics Discussion Hour" was that you weren't allowed to talk about Econometrics. A truly great guy.

It sounds like you've got a great prof. Most economists will throw a million equations at you and hope you can memorize them all. It gets worse the farther you get along in economics. If you ever want to scare a mathaphobe, get a hold of the seminal Ph.D text Microeconomic Theory by Mas-Colell. It's funny how a 1000 page economic text can manage to be completely free of economics.

Mike
_A - Tuesday, September 09 2003 @ 01:31 AM EDT (#33181) #
I'm actually at Concordia. I'm sure there are great profs at McGill but Concordia has superior teaching professors as opposed to McGill's researchers, not to mention the much better political atmoshpere in the student body.
Craig B - Tuesday, September 09 2003 @ 08:51 AM EDT (#33182) #
Concordia? I hope you're living in the city, instead of out in godforsaken NDG.
Craig B - Tuesday, September 09 2003 @ 08:59 AM EDT (#33183) #
Angst, in various permutations, is nonetheless a fertile ground for art.

Heh. Red Sox fans might say it's a fertile ground for baseball too... though we might not agree!
_Andrew Edwards - Tuesday, September 09 2003 @ 09:10 AM EDT (#33184) #
[Concordia has a] much better political atmoshpere in the student body

I'd suggest that's a pretty subjective judgement.

I'd also suggest that I'm absolutely wildly off-topic.
_Jordan - Tuesday, September 09 2003 @ 09:35 AM EDT (#33185) #
A geologist, an engineer and an economist are stranded on a desert island with one sealed can of food.

The geologist suggests bashing the can open against a particularly hard rock. The engineer suggests heating the can to increase the pressure, thus blowing the lid off. The economist says, "First, let's assume a can opener."
_Mick - Tuesday, September 09 2003 @ 09:54 AM EDT (#33186) #
This will at least possibly come up again in the Baker article to be posted later today, but I found it very interesting that Griffin's list of "favourite" players and the list of "players he would pay to see" had very little overlap.

Now, that could well owe to the fact that one's favourites are usually from one's younger fan days (Singleton, Murcer, Staub) while the question was phrased in such a way as to suggest "what players would you pay to see today." So, not much chance for overlap.

For me, my favourite players have been, let's see ... Ken Henderson, Tom Browning, Tom Seaver, Alan Trammell and Ralph Garr are the first five to come to mind. Who would I pay to see today? Bonds, Ichiro, Clemens, Pedro, Maddux. Hm, I seem to have a heavy preference for pitchers.

Historically, there are too many too name, but I'd pay top dollar to see a critical face-off between a couple of guys named George ... of course, I refer to George Herman Ruth and George Thomas Seaver.
_Matthew Elmslie - Tuesday, September 09 2003 @ 10:47 AM EDT (#33187) #
Good start to this series. Not a lot that demands comment, I think, but:

if my math is right, Griffin was born in Kingston, Jamaica in '54. According to Baseball Reference, Devon White was born in Kingston in 1962. The Griffins moved to Montreal in '63, so there was only one year in there where their paths could have crossed, and Devo probably didn't strike anyone as a future ballplayer at that point, even if we assume that the 8-year-old Griffin was any kind of a scout.

Devo left the Jays - and the American League - before the '96 season, which (according to this article, as far as I can tell) was Griffin's first season with the Star. So, again, their paths did not cross.

White may have come to town during interleague play at some point since then, but I kind of think he hasn't. Interesting that two of the few people to enter the world of baseball out of Jamaica* could both be linked to this franchise and, apparently, never run into each other.

Griffin reached the pinnacle of success and recognition in his profession, when in 1992 -- the year the Jays first won a World Series -- he received the Robert O. Fishel Award for Public Relations excellence for his work with the Expos. [...] The trophy is on permanent display in a little museum in upstate New York [...]

Well, I'm dashed. I absolutely am dashed. I'm dashed, everyone.

godforsaken NDG

Now, now. Let there be no disparaging of the ancestral home.

*Others: Chili Davis and Rolando Roomes
_snellville jone - Tuesday, September 09 2003 @ 12:58 PM EDT (#33188) #
Excellent piece of writing. I would imagine that even a close fan, and especially a broadcaster, of the '94 Expos would have to talk baseball through somewhat bitter teeth. For me, the strike was painful, though somewhat removed. Being an Atlanta fan, the strike was a mere setback in a string of division titles paid in part by the deep pockets of Mr. Turner. Montreal got got knocked down and was never given a chance to get back up. It speaks volumes about a person's love of baseball to go through that and continue to be involved in the game.
_A - Tuesday, September 09 2003 @ 01:08 PM EDT (#33189) #
Concordia? I hope you're living in the city, instead of out in godforsaken NDG
Whoa, whoa, whoa. That's EXACTLY where I'm living and it is not bad at all, in fact, it's very plesant. Granted I'm living about as far east as possible in NDG so it's not like I'm out in the middle of nowhere.

I'd suggest that's a pretty subjective judgement.
Not really, Concordia continually gets more involvement during any type of politically oriented campaign than McGill, I think alot of it has to do with the demographics.
Pepper Moffatt - Tuesday, September 09 2003 @ 01:23 PM EDT (#33190) #
http://economics.about.com
I'm actually at Concordia. I'm sure there are great profs at McGill but Concordia has superior teaching professors as opposed to McGill's researchers

Concordia is an underrated school and has a vastly underrated economics department. A former Rochester grad and friend of mine Toshihiko Mukoyama is a prof there. If you ever have to take another economics course, try to take one he teaches. He's a great prof because he really cares how his students are doing.. moreso than any other prof I've ever met.

Not to mention the much better political atmoshpere in the student body.

It is a heck of a lot more political than my alma mater, The University of Western Ontario, where people generally care more about what you're wearing than what you think. I find most people's views on the politics of Concordia tends to be highly correlated with how they feel about the Israeli-Palestanian conflict. Muslim friends of mine seem to love the school, whereas some of my Jewish friends think its a haven for anti-semitism. I've never spent much time there, so I don't really know who to believe.

Has the situation at Concordia cooled down from last year?

Mike
_Mick - Tuesday, September 09 2003 @ 01:31 PM EDT (#33191) #
Concordia is an underrated school ...

Certainly. After all, it's produced both Griffin and Baker!
_Andrew Edwards - Tuesday, September 09 2003 @ 03:14 PM EDT (#33192) #
I find most people's views on the politics of Concordia tends to be highly correlated with how they feel about the Israeli-Palestanian conflict. Muslim friends of mine seem to love the school, whereas some of my Jewish friends think its a haven for anti-semitism.

Not to steer this any further off-topic, but that's kinda what I was alluding to. WITHOUT BEGINNING A DISCUSSION OF ISRAELI-PALESTINIAN CONFLICT, I'm pretty pro-Isreal, and while I wouldn't equate pro-Palestianism with antisemitism, I can imagine being personally uncomfortable with politics as I see them at Concordia.

Alright. Back to baseball.
_A - Tuesday, September 09 2003 @ 09:06 PM EDT (#33193) #
I find most people's views on the politics of Concordia tends to be highly correlated with how they feel about the Israeli-Palestanian conflict. Muslim friends of mine seem to love the school, whereas some of my Jewish friends think its a haven for anti-semitism.

Well I'm anti-occupation and Jewish with a fairly critical view of neo-Zionism with strong, progressive leftist politics (for a mini-political biography click my name and scroll to #6). Either way, Concordia hasn't had much action this year in terms of Israel/Palistine. But it is a heated topic, though cooling off in terms of hot-button issues. Regardless, debate is always healthy.
_A - Tuesday, September 09 2003 @ 09:07 PM EDT (#33194) #
http://www.nowtoronto.com/issues/2003-07-24/cover_story.php
Oops, if you're dearly concerned with the biography, I placed it in the wrong box, click my name now and it shall appear, honest :)
Pepper Moffatt - Tuesday, September 09 2003 @ 09:59 PM EDT (#33195) #
http://economics.about.com
Well I'm anti-occupation

Me too, but I don't think we'll ever get those jerks out of Scotland.

In all seriousness, I'm not sure what to think about the issue. On the one hand, if Israel did retreat back to its pre-1967 borders, the Golan heights would probably be used as a staging point for artillery attacks on Israel by the Syrians and Jordanians, so I could see why the Israelis are just a wee hesitant to give up control of the area. Given that a large portion of the Arab world won't be happy until the Jews are driven into the sea, I can understand the paranoia on the Israeli side.

That being said, the Palestinians have been treated shabbily by pretty much everyone, including the Israelis, and have built up millions of legitimate grievances. So I guess you could say I'm ambivalent about the issue.

That bio of you rocks! I really wish I had been more involved when I was first starting university. All I really cared about then was women and beer.

Mike
_A - Tuesday, September 09 2003 @ 10:30 PM EDT (#33196) #
I believe whole heartedly that everyone deserves somewhere to live peacefully but really, for me, this comes down to Britain's arrogance of simply re-arranging the Middle East as it pleased after WWII when it lost interest in the region.

Regardless of what happens, there is going to be no happieness, even if the Israelis are "driven into the sea" because that land is hotly contested by several regional nation-states. I would prefer to see violence end (on both sides) and have Palestinians permitted to live without constant threat of losing their homes, it's a basic human right to have shelter (not that Canada is doing much in the way of protecting that right either). This could sadly go on for pages of justification but I'll leave it there.
Craig B - Tuesday, September 09 2003 @ 11:51 PM EDT (#33197) #
I don't think we'll ever get those jerks out of Scotland.

And I thought you were an Adam Smith fan. :)
Gitz - Wednesday, September 10 2003 @ 01:13 AM EDT (#33198) #
All I really cared about then was women and beer.

At least you could get the beer easily enough.
Pepper Moffatt - Wednesday, September 10 2003 @ 08:26 AM EDT (#33199) #
http://economics.about.com
All I really cared about then was women and beer.

At least you could get the beer easily enough.

Shows what you know, Gitz.

I was underage when in my first year. It was tough work sneaking into all those bars!

Mike
_A - Wednesday, September 10 2003 @ 09:28 AM EDT (#33200) #
...Hence moving to Montreal :D
Pepper Moffatt - Wednesday, September 10 2003 @ 11:08 AM EDT (#33201) #
http://economics.about.com
...Hence moving to Montreal :D

I always thought the best way to combat underage drinking is simply to lower the drinking age. I love George Carlin's idea of lowering it to 11. He wanted to see a sign that said, "You must PROVE you're atleast 11 to drink here" (or something like that).

I can't figure out why the drinking age is 21 in the States. I can't figure out a lot of things about Americans, such as their dietary habits and their love of Dubya. Perhaps Gitz should explain it to us. :)

Mike
_Norm - Thursday, October 02 2003 @ 12:54 PM EDT (#33202) #
I stopped reading him last year, when I realized what a MEDIOT was.
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Craig B - Friday, March 05 2004 @ 09:45 AM EST (#33204) #
Wow, are you ever in the wrong place.

Sorry, it had to be said.
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