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The methodical, consistent Roy Halladay will treat this like every other game, and as always, has an excellent chance to win. Maybe better than usual; Doc is 7-1 with a 2.05 ERA in his career against the Tigers, who he beat fairly easily on July 2 in Detroit, and was superb in his latest, fanning 10 Yankees in a 4-hit complete game. He seems oblivious to his Cy Young candidacy, which would be enhanced by winning 20 games and striking out 200 batters.

Though Doc's leading the majors in most of the "workhorse" stats -- innings pitched, batters faced -- he has been remarkably efficient, requiring fewer pitches per plate appearance (and per inning) than any AL starter. His 6.14 K/BB ratio is by far the league's best, and second in all of baseball to his mentor Curt Schilling.


Esteban Loaiza may be the Cy frontrunner because his team is in the playoff race, but not many voters would trade Halladay for him. Staked to a 4-0 early lead this afternoon in his bid to go 19-6, Loaiza gave up a 3-run homer to Jody Gerut in the third and a 2-run shot to Josh Bard in the fourth. He struck out ten and walked none through six innings, then issued two free passes, one intentional, in the seventh. The White Sox have just broken open a 5-5 tie, so even if he's done after 114 pitches, Loaiza is in line for the win.

Halladay's 8-1 record at the Dome this year is the exception among Toronto pitchers, the rest of whom have combined for a disappointing 24-36 home record. The Jays must win 9 of their 12 remaining home dates (counting today) to avoid a losing record for 2003 in the convertible confines. A win this afternoon would give the Jays a 3-2 edge in their season series with the Tigers, with four to play. It will also put the club a game over .500 with 21 remaining.

Nate Cornejo hasn't faced the Jays since a rough 3-inning relief stint two years ago, as a 21-year-old AA callup. The big (6'5", 245) righty is in the top 10 among AL starters in ground ball/fly ball ratio, but 48 walks and just 36 strikeouts in 158.2 IP isn't very intimidating. Hitters can wait for him to get the ball up, as his .306 opponents average suggests.

Frank Catalanotto, who enjoyed a 412/508/725 August, is in left field, batting in front of the potent Wells-Delgado-Phelps-Hinske combo. Carlos Tosca continues to divide the playing time; today Bobby Kielty sits, so leadoff man Reed Johnson is in right. With the groundball specialist on the mound, Mike Bordick's reliable glove earns him the SS nod. Kevin Cash, who caught Doc's masterpiece on Monday, is back behind the plate, relegating Greg Myers' bat to a pinch-hit appearance, if needed.

On the radio pregame, Jerry Howarth joked with Tosca about John Gibbons' 3-0 record as manager in his absence. The skipper called Wells and Delgado "as good as any duo in baseball" and said nothing that Vernon does surprises him. He said that Mark Hendrickson left a lot of balls up in the zone last night, but praised his bullpen, especially Aquilino Lopez, who has "street smarts" on the mound.
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_Ryan - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 04:10 PM EDT (#92521) #
Based on the first inning, Halladay is on-pace for a 45-pitch complete game shutout.
_Nigel - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 04:15 PM EDT (#92522) #
I'm only able to follow this on Gameday but that may be the most pathetic first inning of combined offensive effort I can ever remember. One inning, 16 pitches combined, 6 groundouts. Only F-Cat even bothered to try working the pitcher.
_Nigel - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 04:27 PM EDT (#92523) #
This is about 21 games to early to be playing like its the last game of the season and you just want to go home. If I was Alan Trammel I would be seriously p'd.
_Justin B. - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 04:37 PM EDT (#92524) #
Hmmm, that explains it; Faulds' broadcasting performancing has just been a long-running stand-up bit.
Coach - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 04:37 PM EDT (#92525) #
Halladay is on-pace for a 45-pitch complete game shutout.

Roy was all over the place in the second, needing eight pitches.

In the third, he would have had two quick outs, but Hinske sailed a high throw to allow the first baserunner, then Santiago, who was squared to bunt and couldn't get out of the way, was hit by a pitch. A foul popup and an easy 3-1 bouncer ended the "threat," but Doc required TEN pitches to get the four outs.
_Mark - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 05:03 PM EDT (#92526) #
I notice a "0" under the Tigers' "H" column in the linescore after 5 innings...
_Jonny German - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 05:05 PM EDT (#92527) #
Too late to be the first to "call" anything Mark, Tom Cheek made a comment like that after the O-Dog's nice play to end the first.
_Mark - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 05:11 PM EDT (#92528) #
Wow, after one inning is kind of jumping the gun... Anyway, I'm just sitting here writing something for my non-baseball blog and keeping an eye on the online boxscore. I'll go upstairs and watch if it gets more interesting, which it definitely is, through six.
_Wildrose - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 05:21 PM EDT (#92529) #
Come on shadows! The lighting for the hitters seems to be very difficult.
_Jonny German - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 05:25 PM EDT (#92530) #
As long as we're jumping the gun, I'll throw this question out there: Would a no-no today pretty much gaurantee the Cy for Doc?
Mike D - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 05:26 PM EDT (#92531) #
If Brian Kingman's voodoo doll has anything to do with this...
Craig B - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 05:27 PM EDT (#92532) #
I can't remember the last time I was this excited. Game 7 of the World Series, I guess.
Coach - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 05:27 PM EDT (#92533) #
Through seven, the Tigers have three baserunners -- on an error, a HBP and a walk. Doc is cruising along on 76 pitches; only two balls have left the infield.
Pistol - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 05:27 PM EDT (#92534) #
6 to go.

I don't think a no hitter would guarantee anything, especially against a team that could have the most losses ever. I think it would throw him back into the mix.

Come on Jays, score some runs!
_Grimlock - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 05:27 PM EDT (#92535) #
WHOA! Me Grimlock turn on the TV and Doc's been Stieb-esque. Come on guys, give him a run!
Craig B - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 05:28 PM EDT (#92536) #
But, um, guys, if you want a no-hitter you HAVE TO SCORE A RUN.
Pistol - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 05:30 PM EDT (#92537) #
Ok, bottom of the 8th - do you pinch hit for Cash to lead the inning off or leave him in there? I think I'd pinch hit with Myers.
Craig B - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 05:31 PM EDT (#92538) #
Five to go.
_Jonny German - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 05:31 PM EDT (#92539) #
No biggie there Craig, Roy's on pace for 119 pitches through 11. An 11 inning no-no would be very impressive, even if it is the Tigers and there's been three baserunners.
Mike D - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 05:31 PM EDT (#92540) #
No doubt, Pistol. Pinch-hitting's a no-brainer there.
Craig B - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 05:32 PM EDT (#92541) #
I'd never take my catcher out in the midst of a no-no.
Pistol - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 05:32 PM EDT (#92542) #
'Watching' the game online sucks.
Mike D - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 05:33 PM EDT (#92543) #
Touche. Good point, Craig.
Coach - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 05:34 PM EDT (#92544) #
I don't think you can change catchers in the middle of a -- you know.

Good Lord, Halladay is efficient. Two outs (now 16 groundouts) on three pitches.

Kevin Witt just broke it up.
Craig B - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 05:34 PM EDT (#92545) #
Now, yes. It's a no-brainer. Nice double by Witt.
_Jonny German - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 05:34 PM EDT (#92546) #
Nevermind. Double for Kevin Witt.
Pistol - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 05:35 PM EDT (#92547) #
F*ck
_Cristian - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 05:37 PM EDT (#92548) #
An inning after Rob Faulds jinxed it if I'm not mistaken.
Coach - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 05:37 PM EDT (#92549) #
I liked Cerutti's comment that there's "no way Doc could go more than 14 or 15 innings" on this pitch count. C'mon, somebody get him a run.
Mike D - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 05:38 PM EDT (#92550) #
Imagine how interesting it would have been if Bobby Higginson, of all people, would have been the opponent to get the 27th out.
Mike D - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 05:38 PM EDT (#92551) #
Apparently it's not such a no-brainer.
_Jabonoso - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 05:43 PM EDT (#92552) #
Shame on our hitters to let Cornejo arrive at the eight with an economical 90 pitches count...
Coach - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 05:47 PM EDT (#92553) #
Timely DP grounder (and a great sweep tag by Delgado) keeps it scoreless. 3-4-5 coming up...
Pistol - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 05:48 PM EDT (#92554) #
Heart of the order. Time to put it away.
Mike D - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 05:48 PM EDT (#92555) #
I'm with Jabonoso, the Soapy One. Nary an on-base freak among us on this day.
_Jonny German - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 05:49 PM EDT (#92556) #
Okay, so no no-no, but what's the Jays shortest game record? I call Phelps for the walk-off.
_Grimlock - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 05:49 PM EDT (#92557) #
Me Grimlock apologizes for jinxing this. Just as me Grimlock was messaging a friend in Vancouver, "Yo, you watching the Jays game?" fricking Witt hits the double. Me Grimlock was worried about all the ground ball outs... figuring some seeing eye ground ball would end the no-no, but it was a fly to the gap that got them. Me Grimlock still curses Benji Gil for breaking up a Cone no-no (perfecto?) back in 1995.
Pistol - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 05:54 PM EDT (#92558) #
Damn. I saw double in the play by play and thought the game was over. Reading too quickly I realized it was a double play shortly thereafter.
_Justin B. - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 05:55 PM EDT (#92559) #
Thoughts on running for Delgado? I would guess that the slight advantage gained with Berg (?)running at first base with one out over Delgado would be outweighed by removing Delgado's bat and even his defense from potential extra innings.
_Jason James - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 05:55 PM EDT (#92560) #
Silly, silly to pinch-run for Delgado. What kind of hit is gonna score a guy from first anyway?
_Jonny German - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 05:56 PM EDT (#92561) #
Pitch count update: 89 through 9. He's now on pace for 12 innings at 119 pitches.
_Ryan - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 05:57 PM EDT (#92562) #
Cone only had a no-hitter going in 1995. Alex Gonzalez botched a throw to first base early in the game (although Joe Carter, who was making a rare appearance at first base, was partially to blame).

Here's the boxscore.
Coach - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 05:59 PM EDT (#92563) #
What kind of hit is gonna score a guy from first anyway?

A Phelps (or Hinske) double in the gap scores Berg but maybe not Delgado. Carlos isn't due up for a couple of innings. Not a move that absolutely had to be made, but hardly silly.
Craig B - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 06:01 PM EDT (#92564) #
Anyone know when the last time a starter went more than 10 innings?
Coach - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 06:02 PM EDT (#92565) #
Hats off to Cornejo, but he's gone now. I'd pinch-hit Clark for Bordick and Myers for Cash this inning.

Hinske draws the leadoff walk!
_Jonny German - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 06:02 PM EDT (#92566) #
Tom Cheek just said the last Blue Jay to go 10 was... John Cerutti. Cerutti?!?! Who knew?!?

Hinske walked. Howie Clark batting for Bordick.
Coach - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 06:03 PM EDT (#92567) #
Textbook sacrifice by Clark; couldn't Bordick have done that?
_Ryan - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 06:05 PM EDT (#92568) #
The last time anyone went more than 10 innings was Mike Flanagan on October 3, 1987.
Coach - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 06:08 PM EDT (#92569) #
Kielty bats for Johnson and wins it on the first pitch!
_Jonny German - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 06:08 PM EDT (#92570) #
BOBBY WINS IT WITH A DOUBLE TO CENTRE!!!!
Coach - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 06:14 PM EDT (#92571) #
What a wonderful game, what a warrior. "I felt pretty good," Doc told the TV audience, but he wasn't paying close attention to Kielty's heroics. "I was trying to get myself ready for the next inning."
_Grimlock - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 06:16 PM EDT (#92572) #
Wow. Nothing like a tight pitcher's duel. They're too rare nowadays, in me Grimlock's opinion. Who can forget Tanana vs. Key in 1987? Me Grimlock was 6 years old, and in tears after that one.
_Lefty - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 06:17 PM EDT (#92573) #
Very gratifying win for Doc, what a nice hunch to throw Kielty into it. Man-o-man, what a game.

I think Cornejo's stock has taken a big jump. He was just about this good in May-June then the wheels came off. He's struggled his way back slowly. Looked pretty good.
_Jabonoso - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 06:19 PM EDT (#92574) #
Coach;
Are you giving the shots?
Anybody who watched the game, how Witt looked playing third?
_R Billie - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 06:22 PM EDT (#92575) #
I don't understand why you have to take Delgado's bat out of the game in order to gain next to no advantage with Dave Berg on the bases since he can't steal. Delgado's spot in the order would have come up in the 11th had the Jays not been able to score there.

And I don't understand why you waste a pinch hitter if all you're going to do is sacrifice anyway. Finally they end up with a desperation pinch hit of Kielty for Johnson, neither of whom has been particularly good against righties. If the outfielders weren't shallow then that might have been another routine flyout for Bobby but fortunately everything worked out alright.
_Jabonoso - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 06:22 PM EDT (#92576) #
On the Cy race, Esteban 19 wins, 2.6 era, Doc same, 3.42 era.
_Chuck Van Den C - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 06:34 PM EDT (#92577) #
I think Cornejo's stock has taken a big jump.

I don't know about that. He now has 38 K's in 168 IP for a rate of 2.0/9. I can't think of any pitcher who has succeeded with such a low rate.

Rueter, who would have to be Cornejo's best comp, is at 2.6 this year and has been in the 3's or 4's basically all other years. Even if Cornejo's K rate doubled, it would still be bad.

I only checked in on today's game around the 9th inning. The little I saw and some of the highlights seemed to suggest the ump had a Glavine-style (pre-Questec) strike zone. Was this the case? I'm always suspicious of the ump when there's a pitchers' duel and one of the pitchers is someone like Cornejo.
_Chuck Van Den C - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 06:45 PM EDT (#92578) #
Following up my own comments about Cornjeo's low K rate...

Dan Quisenberry did have a few good years with K rates in the 2's, but he didn't walk anyone and gave up very few homers.

Cornejo does walk more hitters than he strikes out and Quiz never did that.

I guess you can succeed with a puny K rate, but the odds are prohibitively against you. I can't imagine long term (or, hell, even short term) success for Cornjeo.
Craig B - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 08:08 PM EDT (#92579) #
Marlins 9 Expos 0 in the third. Ugh.
Leigh - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 09:33 PM EDT (#92580) #
Pinch hitting Kielty for Johnson is pure genius by Tosca. I was screaming at my TV: "Bring in Kielty!". He did. The move was great because Kielty has infinitely more plate patience than Johnson. If Kielty draws a walk: great, we got Cat up with the bases loaded [or Wilson if Trammell goes to a lefty]. The real beauty of the move though, is that the Tigers know that Kielty is very patient, so he gets a get-ahead fastball. There is no way that the Tigers would have made that same pitch to Johnson. Tosca for Prime Minister.
_A - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 10:46 PM EDT (#92581) #
I hate the Tigers. I hated them as soon as Bobby Higginson placed homerun ball into my section the last time Doc went deep into a game with a no-no (8 and 2/3s deep into the game to be exact). In fact I have such a distaste from that one encounter with the Tigers and Higginson specifcally that while playing any baseball video game, when Higginson comes to the plate I will hit him everytime no matter the situation. And I don't care if that sounds immature, he stole Halladay's first no hitter and also took care of his first bid for a CG shutout. That is not tolerated by this fan. Note: I do not support capitol or corperal punishment under any other circumstances.
_A - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 10:49 PM EDT (#92582) #
The Expos are dead to me...unless they go on a 10 game winning streak ;-)
_S.K. - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 10:53 PM EDT (#92583) #
Re: Cornejo's K rate

If I remember my Bill James correctly, it's not unheard of for veterans to succeed without any Ks, but youngsters like this are in trouble. A pitcher's K rate almost always declines as he ages, so if he doesn't start at 4.5/9 or above he has almost no chance of a successful career.
This is relevant for Hendrickson, as well. What's Mark's rate like?
Pistol - Saturday, September 06 2003 @ 11:09 PM EDT (#92584) #
Ravens score one in the 8th and one in the 9th to tie it at 5, only to lose 6-5 in the 10th. Dan Jackson got the loss (and I honestly didn't know he was on the squad). Rios hit his 3rd HR in 4 games.

Game 5 is tomorrow afternoon. Rumor has it that Quiroz might return to action. Not sure of the pitching matchup, but I don't believe that Gassner is going on 3 days rest. The Ravens might need to win a slugfest to make it to the finals.

This is relevant for Hendrickson, as well. What's Mark's rate like?

Hendrickson is at 4.5 K/9, but a 2:1 K:BB ratio. His HRs allowed is a little high, 24 in 147 innings. I think ideally Hendrickson would be in the bullpen and only starting if there's an injury to the rotation.
_Simon - Sunday, September 07 2003 @ 12:50 AM EDT (#92585) #
I was afraid that the Ravens were knocked out when I saw the boxscore. I had forgotten what game they were at. Thank goodness. What a storyline would Q coming back and winning the game for them be.
Pistol - Sunday, September 07 2003 @ 09:06 AM EDT (#92586) #
Auburn lost a 2nd straight game to go down 2-0. I think they just want a challenge.
_Donkit R.K. - Sunday, September 07 2003 @ 02:50 PM EDT (#92587) #
Ryan, Dave Stewart went 11 innings (and pitched a shutout) in 1990 for the A's.
_Ryan - Sunday, September 07 2003 @ 03:54 PM EDT (#92588) #
I had assumed Craig was asking about Jays starters, and Flanagan was the last one to do it.
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