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It was great to see the Jays in action on TV again today, and a pleasure to listen to the excellent UPN 38 broadcasters, Sean McDonough and Jerry Remy. Toronto left a few key players in Dunedin: Stewart, Hinske, Wells, Delgado, Phelps, Catalanotto, Woodward and Hudson -- the "rule" about playing four regulars in spring road games is a farce. Nomar and Manny also took the day off, so the 7,000+ fans in Fort Myers might have been grumbling a little, but it was an entertaining game.

Make of this what you will; Pete Walker started, and did fine. I think it means he's #5 in the rotation, when the time comes. He helped himself in the first with a fine snare of a Todd Walker comebacker, got strikeouts with both a nasty changeup and high heat, and one of the "hits" he gave up was a two-hopper that should have been scored as a rare error by Mike Bordick, who started at 3B. Dave Berg was the offensive star, with two doubles and a single in 5 AB; his spring AVG was .471 prior to an 8th-inning groundout. Tom Wilson, who looks fitter this year, went all the way at 1B and continues to have quality at-bats. He had a walk and a double, and always seems to go deep into the count.

It was my first look at Aquilino Lopez, and again, the box score won't reflect how sharp he was, or the movement on his slider. Just as I was thinking he might not be a great fielder -- he falls off the mound toward first -- he made a fantastic play on a high hopper to his right.

The Syracuse SkyChiefs OF started -- Mike Colangelo in LF, Rob Ryan in CF and Bruce Aven in RF -- but nobody won or lost a job. Ryan had a tough day, looking confused on a ball hit over his head and off the wall, losing an easy third out in the sun, and getting called out looking, twice. However, he later stroked a leadoff double, then showed good baserunning ability, staying put on an Aven 6-3 groundout and scoring from second on a shallow Russ Adams single.

Adams is going to be a great player. His E-6 was unlucky, actually another fine fielding play -- he almost doubled off Damon after spearing a liner, but the throw hit the runner. And he steered another two-strike pitch the opposite way for an RBI single. Illustrating the difference between a good analyst and John Cerutti, Remy observed that Adams tipped his pitcher's curve by gliding to his right too soon; that's also the difference between a AA player less than a year out of college, and the big-league star he will become in time.

John-Ford Griffin looks a bit like his favourite player (John Olerud), stands like him in the box, and has considerably more power. He showed a good eye to draw a walk his first time up, and hit a fly ball to straightaway center that had about six seconds of hang time in his next AB. It was a 400' out, but he was a fraction of an inch from a 450' HR -- his bat speed is terrific.

Among the other Toronto pitchers, Evan Thomas does not impress, Pasqual Coco reminds me of a skinnier Escobar -- great stuff, no command -- and Kelvim himself started out very wild, but settled down. Oriole castoff Josh Towers, a longshot to make the cut, baffled the Bosox with changeups off his moderately-paced "fastball", and worked an easy 1-2-3 ining.

For the Red Sox, most of the real bullpen worked, and Mike Timlin didn't look great. Chad Fox is nowhere near his former velocity, Alan Embree is rounding into form, but Ramiro Mendoza looked best of all, and might be the chairman of the committee. Shea Hillenbrand, who played 1B, is on fire -- I know he's not a stathead darling, because he's impossible to walk, but he's hitting about .600 for the spring.

Yesterday, the Jays sent three players to the minor-league camp -- Scott Cassidy (whose lower arm slot made his pitches move a bit more this spring), Mike Smith (to be groomed as a reliever) and Scott Wiggins, probably because Trever Miller has been the club's best LH reliever.

Tomorrow, some well-rested regulars should be backing Roy Halladay against the Twins.

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_steve - Sunday, March 09 2003 @ 05:21 PM EST (#94341) #
I listened to most of today's game on The Fan 590. I'm getting really tired of listening to Tom Cheek!! He went on a long rant today, criticizing the OBP-centric philosophy (of player evaluation) that Ricciardi and Epstein both espouse.
In contrast, Jerry and Mike (Wilner, the 3rd man in the booth) have been a great tandem thus far, leading me to believe they could be the future Jays' radio broadasting team. Thoughts?
_Chuck Van Den C - Sunday, March 09 2003 @ 07:05 PM EST (#94342) #
Tom Cheek does have a great radio voice but sadly, that's where his baseball skills begin and end.

For a man who was watched umpteen thousand games in person for so many years, he is not especially knowledgeable about baseball.

He certainly doesn't make it a point to learn much about MLB players, especially National Leaguers whose names he often mispronounces.

And he knows even less about the analysis of the sport -- sad when mainstream analysis has been around for over 20 years. Who knows how many comps of Bill James' Abstracts and the Hidden Game of Baseball have crossed his desk over the years.

He is the radio equivalent of a TV talking head. Nice to listen to, but not much to say.
_Spicol - Sunday, March 09 2003 @ 07:12 PM EST (#94343) #
Cheek was sort of making sense, but it's clear he doesn't understand Beane ball. The rant began during Hillenbrand's AB and he used Shea and Manny Ramirez as examples, saying it's ridiculous to ask Ramirez to walk more since he's already such a great hitter. And he's right, it is ridiculous to ask Ramirez to walk more than he does IF it saps him of power or production. The thing is, all of the "new wave" GMs would agree with him. Beane and JP and Epstein don't ask players to walk at the expense of their other skills, they simply have the understanding that a walk is almost as good as a hit. They choose to build teams with guys that have a good batting eye as a chief strength and if a guy doesn't walk, he better do a heck of a lot of other things well to make up for it. It was clear that Cheek is under the impression that JP thinks everyone should walk 100 times, batting average and power be damned, and he sounded like an old coot...no other way to describe it.

Kudos to Wilner for stepping up and defending his stance. Cheek's voice held more than a touch of attitude after Wilner's volley as if he were pretty offended that the young(ish) buck dared to disagree with him. As happy as I am to hear baseball again, that was the best part of the game for me.
_Shane - Sunday, March 09 2003 @ 08:54 PM EST (#94344) #
Complimenting Jerry Remy? Maybe just this once. Using him today, to illustrate your point, is valid against Johnny Cerutti though. After listening to Cerutti's nine innings yesterday, I watched the White Sox/Cubs game right after, and yikes, what a contrast. Steve Stone is back after a two year abscence, and though I was never a fan of is, he was great. More insight comes out of his mouth in a couple innings than John Cerutti manages in very very long stretches.

Lopez was pretty good. Thirty-one pitches, 21 for strikes -- but 6 or 7 of the balls were his offspeed pitches to righthanded batters (with Shea Hillenbrand helping him out by swinging at a couple balls well off the plate). The play to throw out Lou Collier was pretty sweet.

Russ Adams RBI single off Mike Timlin was a great atbat, and for what it's worth, not looking overmatched all day long against John Burkett, Frank Castillo, Alan Embree or Mike Timlim was a nice sign. For a spring training game, he sure wasn't facing a bunch of minor league hacks.
_jason - Sunday, March 09 2003 @ 08:54 PM EST (#94345) #
I've been hearing good things about this Lopez kid. It sounds like they are going to keep him on the team or make arrangements for him to stay in the system. Two good arms from the rule 5 (Thurman, Lopez) in successive years seems like a good accomplishment.
Craig B - Monday, March 10 2003 @ 12:10 AM EST (#94346) #
More insight comes out of his mouth in a couple innings than John Cerutti manages in very very long stretches.

I sometimes wonder if Cerutti's ability to comment intelligently on the game wasn't permanently destroyed by working with Brian Williams. Williams always left the impression that he had never seen a baseball game in his life until the day before; as frustrating as he was to listen to, it must have been ten times as frustrating to sit in the booth and explain things to him over and over, then listen to him get them wrong again the following week.

90% - at least - of the people watching baseball games are at least relatively conversant with the sport, but it seems that Cerutti may have mistakenly gained the impression, which I can only assume comes from Williams, that the average fan cannot remember the most basic details about the sport.
Mike D - Monday, March 10 2003 @ 01:47 AM EST (#94347) #
Spicol, I think your assessment of Cheek vs. "New Wave" GM's is a fair one. I think I'm going to start an entirely new thread on the old school vs. new school over the next couple of days (to discuss this further).

Briefly, though, I understand where the "old coot" is coming from. J.P. has brought a new philosophy to town, no question. When you've been around the Blue Jays since their inception, it can be frustrating (or even threatening) to see a new regime, speaking an unfamiliar language, turfing out so many organizational soldiers with whom you've become familiar and friendly over the years. (Never mind that they had become outdated and ineffective.) So once OBP gets bandied about, you can understand the old guard around the Blue Jays getting their back up.

More importantly, Tom was simply out of his element in talking about the importance of OBP, which is really more of a GM/player-development concern than that of a play-by-play radio man.

I want to log on to Batter's Box to discuss the on-base progression of Jays hitters. But I want to listen to a Tom Cheek, or an Ernie Harwell, or a Jon Miller, to tell me how close an outside fastball was to being a strike. Or how mighty a swing was. Or how shallow the left fielder is playing.

Chuck, I can tell right now that you and I will have a bunch of entertaining tete-a-tetes. Statistics help us evaluate the cumulative value added by a player, and therefore how to build a roster to maximize the number of valuable players. But the game is still played by human beings, with real in-game situations, between the white lines. And *that's* where Cheek's expertise -- which is certainly not insignificant -- makes him fun to listen to.
Coach - Monday, March 10 2003 @ 07:56 AM EST (#94348) #
Mike, your mention of Cheek with Harwell and Miller is like saying "Rey Ordonez, Honus Wagner and A-Rod." What makes Miller great is his ability to amuse and provide insight. This is a personal bias, because it's how I tried to call horse races for 15 years, but I prefer a play-by-play man who has enough knowledge to be an analyst. Dan Shulman was deferential to Buck when they worked together, but is almost in Miller's league. Either can engage their broadcast partner in meaningful discussion. Cheek's an airhead. I wish he would retire and donate his larynx to Howarth, but they'll have to drag him out of the booth -- who among us would walk away from that gig?
_Mike - Monday, March 10 2003 @ 09:02 AM EST (#94349) #
Lopez turns 28 next month, so he is no kid. He has good stuff but it remains to be seen how good he will be in the Majors.
_Spicol - Monday, March 10 2003 @ 09:32 AM EST (#94350) #
it's how I tried to call horse races for 15 years

Coach, is there anything you don't do? ;)
_steve - Monday, March 10 2003 @ 12:49 PM EST (#94351) #
I hear the Jays are bringing their A Team (minus Catalanotto, who stayed in Dunedin with a "wonky back") to Fort Myers today to face the Twins (and their AA/AAA starter).

The lineup will be Stewart-Hinske-Wells-Delgado-Phelps-Wise-Woodward-Hudson-Huckaby, alternating R-L-R to the extreme! (If Wells doesn't show improved plate discipline in the next couple of weeks, Tosca better not be throwing that lineup out on opening day!)

Does anyone know where I can find good Spring Training stats (including BB's, which MLB.com conveniently omits)? I'm pretty sure Hudson and Wells both haven't taken a walk yet this spring!
_Mike - Monday, March 10 2003 @ 01:19 PM EST (#94352) #
Try here
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/statistics.htm
Pepper Moffatt - Monday, March 10 2003 @ 01:28 PM EST (#94353) #
http://economics.about.com
Is anyone else listening to the Twins radio broadcast today?

Is it just me, or is the color guy just awful?

Mike
Pepper Moffatt - Monday, March 10 2003 @ 01:28 PM EST (#94354) #
http://economics.about.com
Is anyone else listening to the Twins radio broadcast today?

Is it just me, or is the color guy just awful?

Mike
_Shane - Monday, March 10 2003 @ 01:34 PM EST (#94355) #
"Now, pinch hitting for the Twins color guy, Lefthander John Cerutti."
_steve - Monday, March 10 2003 @ 02:18 PM EST (#94356) #
Yeah, the colour guy is awful!

How 'bout that Eric "Hinsk"? Rhymes with the capital of Belarus!

And "Calvin" Escobar?!! Too funny!
Pepper Moffatt - Monday, March 10 2003 @ 02:42 PM EST (#94357) #
http://economics.about.com
He reminds me of Jackie Harvey's "Outside Scoop" at the Onion:

http://www.theonion.com/onion3632/monkey_baby.html

"THIS JUST IN: Michael Tehada was just named the More Valuable Player for the American's League. I've never seen Michael play, but I'm assured he's very good. PLAY BALL!"
_R Billie - Monday, March 10 2003 @ 03:52 PM EST (#94358) #
The Twins announcers were a bit annoying. They kept getting the names of players wrong...in the top of the 8th inning I think I heard the name of three different pitchers and could never be sure who was on the mound.
_Chuck Van Den C - Monday, March 10 2003 @ 09:46 PM EST (#94359) #
And "Calvin" Escobar?!! Too funny!

Joe Carter used to call him Kevin, and he was covering the home team!
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